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Pokeoddsponge ◊ 2011-10-19 01:21	Reminds me of the P-1000 "Ratte" which was a 1000 ton tank that was designed in Germany in World War II (but never built)
theepirate ◊ 2012-03-17 01:40	http://danielsimon.com/hydra-tank/
mike962 ◊ 2012-06-17 17:15	the P 1000 was truly an idiotic idea from Hitler's mind apperenaly , this thing would have been a huge target for any allied fighter bomber and would have eaten soo much FUEL that a few miles its would bee already empty nevermind the fact that if something brakes repair it would be impossble in field conditions Seems Albert Speer realized this and quickly cancelled the project -- Last edit: 2012-06-17 17:16:44
Nightrider ◊ 2012-06-17 19:29	mike962 wrote this thing would have been a huge target for any allied fighter bomber Oh yea, .50 cal machine guns would rip it apart. Or did you mean strategic bomber?
mike962 ◊ 2012-06-17 19:37	Nightrider wrote Oh yea, .50 cal machine guns would rip it apart. Or did you mean strategic bomber? I mean planes like the Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik or Hawker Typhon -- Last edit: 2012-06-17 19:38:23
Ingo ◊ 2012-06-17 19:42	Annother point is, that its possible usage is very small. Way too big and too heavy to go anywhere else than on hard and stony desert ground (which doesn't appear in Europe). You can steamroll many things, but not mountains, mountain passes, swamps (even mother soil would be too weak), rivers, riverbanks(!), and many more geological facts. In a much smaller proportion the Bundeswehr had experienced it in the Kosovo. They wanted to make impressions/intimidations with two Leopard II. After arrival they had seen, that they are too big and too heavy for the streets there, at least for the whole landscape.
mike962 ◊ 2012-06-17 19:47	Hitler has this megalomanic mind even in hardware , he wanted the biggest Battleship which he did get with the Bismark and Tirpitz and we all know how it ended , he wanted the biggets railguns , he did have those two but it took over 600 men to move them and operate them , and he wanted the biggest tanks which he also had with the Tiger and Tiger 2 , nevermind his mind with the P1000 RATTE idea which suposedly was his personally Many military historians all argued that this things actually hleped the allies win the war cos they took up soo much men power and ressources from the Wehrmacht -- Last edit: 2012-06-17 19:48:48
Nightrider ◊ 2012-06-17 19:54	mike962 wrote I mean planes like the Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik or Hawker Typhon You would be surprised, but actual anti-tank capabilities of Il-2 were not so great. With 23mm cannons it wasn't effective against Pz V- VI, and effectiveness of PTABs was greatly reduced by primitive anti-cumulative screens.
Nightrider ◊ 2012-06-17 20:00	ingo wrote Annother point is, that its possible usage is very small. Way too big and too heavy to go anywhere else than on hard and stony desert ground (which doesn't appear in Europe). You can steamroll many things, but not mountains, mountain passes, swamps (even mother soil would be too weak), rivers, riverbanks(!), and many more geological facts. Now this is true. Essentially it's closer to railroad artillery, than to battletank.
Ingo ◊ 2012-06-17 20:05	For the railroad it's too montrous either. Too big and heavy for tracks, tunnels, bridges, stations and so on.
G-MANN ◊ 2012-06-17 20:05	Bit of an absurd idea, it's like something out of Warhammer 40,000 or something a schoolboy might doodle in his textbook. Hitler was quite the dreamer wasn't he? I suppose he wanted to build something indestructable that would wipe out everything else, but for reasons explained it wouldn't have worked. Hitler also wanted to build something even bigger, the P.1500 Monster (1500 tons with a crew of 100) However, since this is not real and doesn't resemble anything real, should this be listed?
Ingo ◊ 2012-06-17 20:07	Made for movie fits anyways, if you see theepirate's link.
Nightrider ◊ 2012-06-17 20:13	ingo wrote For the railroad it's too montrous either. Too big and heavy for tracks, tunnels, bridges, stations and so on. In this case I meant only heavy ordnance,not whole machine.
Ingo ◊ 2012-06-17 20:14	Nightrider wrote You would be surprised, but actual anti-tank capabilities of Il-2 were not so great. To stop and destroy a tank, you don't need high-tech or heavy weapons. Some potato bags (for the observations slits and the exhaust), a few better iron rods (for putting between the wheels and the chain), plus a "Molli" = "Molotov cocktail" (for smashing between the turret and the glacis plate). That will be fine so far. -- Last edit: 2012-06-17 20:15:22
Nightrider ◊ 2012-06-17 20:17	^ We were talking about "allied fighter-bomber". Ingo, do you always prepared for full-scale tank assault?
Ingo ◊ 2012-06-19 13:02	Why not? You never know...
G-MANN ◊ 2012-06-19 18:21	Again, should this be listed?
Ingo ◊ 2012-06-19 20:07	Yes IMO, as it's indeed extra "made for movie"
G-MANN ◊ 2012-06-19 20:38	Well, thank you Ingo but this is really a question for the other main admins, including antp. It's not real (it's CGI) and maybe if it was based on a real vehicle that might be OK, but it's not, it's a completely fictional design. So by that criteria I question whether it's worth listing or should be in the comments. We don't list things like the Harvester in Dune or the Sandcrawler in Star Wars (those may be models but I don't think CGI should really be treated differently) I think we should only really allow "Made for Movie" vehicles to be listed if they're actual working vehicles in real life. By the way Ingo, please don't mention cartoon cars because that's a seperate debate. -- Last edit: 2012-06-19 20:45:13
Nightrider ◊ 2012-06-19 21:07	O. This Drawn shurely very more Good.
antp ◊ 2012-06-20 14:40	People could think that this one is based on something real, so for me it is OK to list it as "made for movie"
G-MANN ◊ 2012-06-20 18:01	People might think it's something real? But it's not... how is that a reason to keep it? Oh, well....
mike962 ◊ 2012-06-20 21:02	G-MANN wrote Well, thank you Ingo but this is really a question for the other main admins, including antp. It's not real (it's CGI) and maybe if it was based on a real vehicle that might be OK, but it's not, it's a completely fictional design. So by that criteria I question whether it's worth listing or should be in the comments. We don't list things like the Harvester in Dune or the Sandcrawler in Star Wars (those may be models but I don't think CGI should really be treated differently) I think we should only really allow "Made for Movie" vehicles to be listed if they're actual working vehicles in real life. By the way Ingo, please don't mention cartoon cars because that's a seperate debate. BUT G-MANN by this logic you would need to DELETE almost the whole SPEEd RACER (2008 movie) entry cos none of those cars were actually working, just some props /movie.php?id=811080 -- Last edit: 2012-06-20 21:04:53
G-MANN ◊ 2012-06-20 22:55	Well, I wouldn't say delete all those. But does this mean it's OK to list any fictional CGI/model vehicle? Oh, I don't know... -- Last edit: 2012-06-20 23:05:55
antp ◊ 2012-06-21 16:54	Well for Speed Racer I am not sure that most of these were worth listing...
mike962 ◊ 2012-06-21 21:07	the tank also made an apperenace in this deleted scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2kXtr-qIQU
maxman ◊ 2021-09-22 07:41	mike962 wrote he wanted the biggest Battleship which he did get with the Bismark and Tirpitz Except not, since the Hood was longer, and the Yamato, the largest battleship ever built by tonnage or guns (though only two feet longer than the [j]Hood[/i]) had been launched and was being fitted out at the time of the Battle of the Denmark Strait. And the Iowa class was even longer than the Yamato.
Harold B ◊ 2024-10-13 03:08	This is inspired by the P.1000 but it isn't anywhere close to it. The only accurate aspects are its size and the fact it has three rows of tracks.

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