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antp ◊ 2023-02-27 10:48	Is the car on the left interesting / worth listing? Plate = BHT 238 Otherwise the one in the middle of the image is more visible
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-02-27 14:52	Daimler 15??
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-02-27 17:28	Sorry, can’t help with BHT238, but, on the right is a Ford 10 Woody, this is not the V8, but a 1937 7W Ten, with a conversion. It also appears elsewhere in these images. (Thumb 10) -- Last edit: 2023-02-27 17:31:43
fred1969 ◊ 2023-02-27 19:13	it's strangely interesting an american ? a concept car ? -- Last edit: 2023-02-27 19:13:30
dsl ◊ 2023-02-27 19:39	BHT 238 was Bristol, Feb-April 1935. Lagonda Rapide?? (that one's a 1937 LG 45).
fred1969 ◊ 2023-02-28 17:11	dsl wrote BHT 238 was Bristol, Feb-April 1935. Lagonda Rapide?? (that one's a 1937 LG 45). Agree with a "rapide" but not exactly the same rear trunk https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/File:Im19361016A-Lag.jpg I propose too : lagonda LG6 tourer 1938 https://www.bonhams.com/auction/21768/lot/383/1938-lagonda-lg6-tourer/
dsl ◊ 2023-03-01 04:16	I don't know olde Lagonda Rapides well enough to pursue the version any further. "My" LG 45 and your LG 6 both get pretty close, but neither are 100%. Also neither are 1935.
dsl ◊ 2023-03-05 18:57	Leaving as Lagonda unknown, as if entered as plain Rapide it would disappear into our group of the 1960s saloons.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-05 20:12	My understanding of “Rapide” is that pre war it is not a specific model, but more of a descriptor added to certain cars fitted with uprated engines by the factory from new. There was a Rapide version of the M45 which could be had as a tourer or a saloon, a Rapide version of the LG45 described by S & G as a semi-boat tailed tourer, Rapide two-seater dropheads on the LG6 in 1939, and a Rapide coupé version of the V12. So if it’s pre war, and you just call it “Rapide” you are not providing an accurate nomenclature. -- Last edit: 2023-03-05 20:31:16
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 08:36	I am going to propose elimination of the LG6 Rapide (1937), and the V12 Rapide (1939), and also the LG45 Rapide as the LG45 was not introduced until the 1936 Motor Show. -- Last edit: 2023-03-06 10:36:19
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 08:57	Accordingly, it is suggested that this car may be an M45 Rapide. The coachwork of the M45 was available as a factory built saloon and tourer, but other chassis were bodied by Freestone and Webb, Carlton, Lancefield and Vanden Plas, plus the one-off by Fox and Nichol. About 410 M45s were built, plus about 53 M45R Rapides. The Rapide had a strengthened and shortened chassis, and the more powerful and robust version of the Meadows engine. -- Last edit: 2023-03-06 09:16:46
dsl ◊ 2023-03-06 14:07	OK - go for it. I can't find any pics of mid-30s LGs or Ms with that particular boot shape - most have spare wheel mounting and almost all have number plate and lights mounted on mudguards, rather than an apparently integrated panel, and I'd guess it's a sporty 2-seater. And that's as far as I can take it ....
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 15:41	Done.
dsl ◊ 2023-03-06 16:23	ID slightly rearranged to match other similar Lagondas. Something I can't pin down was whether these LG/M Rapides (with various numbers) had different groups as R, Rapide and R Rapide, or whether just Rapide covers all names (which would mean removing all the R parts of titles).
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 17:07	M45R Rapide, as per S & G Page 107. The non Rapide car was the M45.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 17:44	From "Sports Cars 1928-1939" by T.R. Nicholson, Blandford Press 1969 Several references to Lagonda “Rapide” models here, no space immediately before the “R” -- Last edit: 2023-03-06 17:55:41
dsl ◊ 2023-03-06 18:14	^ 1st column, two-thirds of way down - "... a more sporting version of the standard M45, the M45R or Rapide, also known as the Speed Model. ...". Which suggests it's either R or Rapide, but not both. What I'm really targetting is whether we have duplicated LG45/M45 model listings which can be cut down to give just 2 variants in each case - the plain one and the sporty one. If so I vote for the sporty one being Rapide, with all the 'R' references expunged, which is consistent with how we've named the LG6 versions and solitary examples of M35 Rapide and V12 Rapide. -- Last edit: 2023-03-09 04:20:44
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 18:38	M45 is the cooking model M45R. “Rapide” if you must. That's it. Seemingly Ditto LG45 (Cooking) LG45R Rapide. -- Last edit: 2023-03-06 19:38:34
993cc ◊ 2023-03-06 19:01	..but ... M45R or Rapide ...
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 19:09	I repeat, Rapide is not a separate model, the R indicates a short chassis, and uprated engine version. There does not appear to be a long chassis Rapide, no M35 Rapide that I have seen. If it is to be given the descriptor “Rapide” it has to be an “R” chassis on the 4.5 litre Meadows engined models. My suggestion would be to add “Rapide” in the extra info column, in quotes, where applicable. So - Lagonda M45R. “Rapide” -- Last edit: 2023-03-06 19:20:39
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-06 19:31	https://www.supercars.net/blog/1936-lagonda-lg45r/ It would appear to depend upon whose copy you look at. https://www.flickr.com/photos/45676495@N05/11966788113 -- Last edit: 2023-03-06 19:45:15
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-03-07 09:15	The Lagonda Club also uses “M45R”. I have written to them for advice, which I hope the website will follow.

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1935 Lagonda M45 R Rapide in The Galloping Major, Movie, 1951

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