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Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 21:31	W 123 T-Modell
rpcm ◊ 2007-12-08 22:31	1983+ ( by the headlights - if they were not changed ).
antp ◊ 2007-12-08 22:41	If they were not changed, they will have to be if they still plan to use the car: in that scene a guy hits the headlights and windscreen with a shovel/spade -- Last edit: 2007-12-08 22:42:07
rpcm ◊ 2007-12-08 22:47	It's a shame, because I like these T [W123]. I find them very elegant and well proportioned.
antp ◊ 2007-12-08 23:22	Me too. And I really like when they have hubcaps assorted to body color like /vehicle_27582-Mercedes-Benz-W123.html -- Last edit: 2007-12-08 23:23:01
rpcm ◊ 2007-12-08 23:32	Prices are rising for the really good ones...
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 23:36	In Germany sometimes you hear the name "Fritten-Benz" for that car. "Fritten" is a slang-word for "Pommes frites" (french fried in America). This nick-name is caused by that: http://www.mccain.at/Pages/Default.aspx
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 23:38	rpcm wrote Prices are rising for the really good ones... And the problem is, to find a good one. They are gone now, nearly totally gone. Not to the scrap-yard, they're gone to the export. It's really hard for the W 123-freaks to hold against the popularity of the W 123 in Africa and Arabian countries. @rpcm: it's easier to find a W 123 Coupe than a Sedan or a T-model. -- Last edit: 2007-12-08 23:39:15
rpcm ◊ 2007-12-08 23:41	The Diesel versions are, indeed, able to "burn" almost everything and, although slow, a 240TD is the most reliable and economical option.
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 23:42	In 1993 I made a short trip from Corfu/Greece to Sarande in Albania. The (small, dirty and ugly) harbour of Sarande was full with W 123 with German export-plates. In 1997 I've been in Israel and Jordan. The W 123 was the second popular car in Jordan and the Palaestinian-area - the second after the W 114/115. Old BMW-5-Series and Opel Rekord/Commodore you could also see - much more of all of them than in Germany. -- Last edit: 2007-12-08 23:45:49
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2007-12-09 00:35	Ingo wrote And the problem is, to find a good one. They are gone now, nearly totally gone. Not to the scrap-yard, they're gone to the export. We have some evidence of that in the database. /vehicle_63818-Mercedes-Benz-W123-1976.html /vehicle_40432-Mercedes-Benz-W123-1981.html /vehicle_10456-Mercedes-Benz-230-E-W123-1982.html
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-09 00:48	@Gag: thanks for the links. Shall we make a quiz or a ranking about the approximate mileage of all three cars together?
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2007-12-09 00:59	Ingo wrote @Gag: thanks for the links. Shall we make a quiz or a ranking about the approximate mileage of all three cars together? And all the cars in Kaliningrad have come secondhand from Germany... /movie_777240-Eine-Liebe-in-Konigsberg.html
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-09 14:09	Yes, surely. You can see hundreds of trucks every day, going on the Autobahn eastwards, loaded with used cars from Germany, also from Holland, Belgium and France. They bring them to the Baltic states, from there they smuggle them into Russia. A direct import to Russia is officially to expensive. Some months ago my father's 1990 Passat Variant GT made that way, too.
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-09 14:11	Trucks, going into the other direction, also loaded with used cars (mostly more broken, mostly Mercedes, Peugeot and all kind of Japanese cars) have a different destination: Rotterdam, Hamburg or Bremerhaven. These cars were brought to Africa.
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2007-12-09 14:31	And Iraq has been flooded with secondhand Opels since 2003. I wonder if they're transported by sea or by land.
antp ◊ 2007-12-09 18:09	As I probably said somewhere else, in Cameroon the most common car is rather the Toyota Corolla & Carina (those of the late 80s / early 90s), no wonder why these nearly disappeared from Europe. -- Last edit: 2007-12-09 18:10:55
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-09 18:30	@Gag: by ship. I've seen a TV-reportage about a guy in Hamburg, an Iraqui, who makes a lot of money with this export. He owns a big transporter-ship, big as the ships, where car-companies are transporting their cars to overseas-countries. He said "My ship was the first civil ship, which has reached Basra after the declaration of the end of the war, just two days later." Once my father has seen on the river Elbe a former container-ship leaving Hamburg. On deck was mounted a huge metal-frame, where hundreds of junk-cars were stored in, similar like chocolade-bars in a supermarket. You could see, that the dealer treats his workers as a slave-master. They are loading the ship in hard piecework, it's counted on minutes. If they don't load perfectly and waste a few square-meters, they will be punished. The cars were more smashed into the ship, than driven. If one car doesn't run, they push it inside with annother one. -- Last edit: 2007-12-09 18:30:43
antp ◊ 2007-12-09 18:35	And in some countries they cut cars in half to import them as spare parts (to prevent the high taxes), but later they simply paste the two half together
badlymad ◊ 2007-12-09 18:42	Another popular source for cars apparently is stolen vehicles from America, particularly SUVs- I recall reading a news report about how American soldiers found a Texas registered Chevy Suburban being prepared for a suicide bombing mission in Falluja.
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-09 19:02	@badlymad: hmm, I'm suspicious, if this car was really stolen. I know the pic of it. I'm a license-plate-collector and we had discussed it in our forum, too. Was that car stolen indeed, or was it just an exported used car, or left somewhere in the world by an American citizen? There are also some photos circulating in the Internet, which were originally made by the CIA. They are showing cars of suicide-bomber with German plates. Some hysterical and uneducated (about things in other countries except the own one) people from some US-authorities were screaming around, that this is the evidence, that there are some dark connections between Germany and the -alleged Al Quaida-related- terrorists. Pure bullshit, these ideas. You could see on the first view, that one plate was an export-plate and the other one was unvalid, after the German registration was expired (the silver sticker was scrapped off, scrapped off by a machine, which are placed in every German car-registration-office. So these old plates are meaning nothing. You can find out the former owner in Germany, resp. the exporter, that's all. With that pictures I made my parents nervous. It was during the time, I had their old Passat Variant on eBay. It was sure, that that car would go to the export (finally to Russia), so I said to them: "Hey, perhaps your Passat will provoke headlines after terrorists have used them. And you will coming into jail or to Guantanamo, because you were the last official registrated owners" They couldn't really lough about that idea. -- Last edit: 2007-12-09 19:11:27
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-09 19:05	antp wrote And in some countries they cut cars in half to import them as spare parts (to prevent the high taxes), but later they simply paste the two half together Before 2003 Polish dealers have done so. The chassis on a trailer, engine and axles packed besides. A typical view on the Autobahn in the 90ies.
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2007-12-09 19:16	antp wrote And in some countries they cut cars in half to import them as spare parts (to prevent the high taxes), but later they simply paste the two half together I've read that used vans from Japan are exported to the Philippines that way, with the added bonus that they're reassembled with left hand drive. And Dubai is reputedly full of chop shops converting used Japanese cars to LHD.
badlymad ◊ 2007-12-09 19:33	Ingo wrote @badlymad: hmm, I'm suspicious, if this car was really stolen. I know the pic of it. I'm a license-plate-collector and we had discussed it in our forum, too. Was that car stolen indeed, or was it just an exported used car, or left somewhere in the world by an American citizen? There are also some photos circulating in the Internet, which were originally made by the CIA. They are showing cars of suicide-bomber with German plates. Some hysterical and uneducated (about things in other countries except the own one) people from some US-authorities were screaming around, that this is the evidence, that there are some dark connections between Germany and the -alleged Al Quaida-related- terrorists. Pure bullshit, these ideas. You could see on the first view, that one plate was an export-plate and the other one was unvalid, after the German registration was expired (the silver sticker was scrapped off, scrapped off by a machine, which are placed in every German car-registration-office. So these old plates are meaning nothing. You can find out the former owner in Germany, resp. the exporter, that's all. Here's an article that makes allegations that U.S auto theft rings were selling cars that eventually became bombs in Iraq- it is from 2005 though, so things might have changed since then: Link to "www.boston.com" In regards to the car with the German plates, was this the car you were talking about? It was an Opel used as a sniper platform rather than a car bomb, but the European plates are visible (The rest of the set is NWS-contains dead bodies) http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/add/2006719027267.aspx
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-10 17:24	@Badlymad: yes, these photos. Many thanks. That with "MZ" is from Mainz (exactly from the popular touristic wine-town Bingen at the river Rhine) and out of registration (the silver sticker is scrapped off - in Germany by the authority). That one with the "D" is an export-plate from Düsseldorf, expired at the 1.April 2004.
peekay64 ◊ 2007-12-11 09:30	It's not all doom and gloom with the 123's, there's still plenty of good ones around, BUT these won't be cheap! I've seen a 300TD Turbodiesel with ALL available option and just 75,000 km's on the clock sell recently for 15.000 euro's!!!! Mine is still a good one . I found my 200T from 1981 in south of france a couple of years ago, from 1st owner with just 166k on the clock, but still immaculate... http://home.planet.nl/~kante333/temp/200T81_166Mkm_129.jpg

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