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1962 Wolga M-21

1962 Wolga M-21 in Polizeiruf 110 - Per Anhalter, Movie made for TV, 1974 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: SU — Made for: DDR

1962 Wolga M-21

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

Comments about this vehicle

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Weasel1984 PL

2007-03-23 16:10

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Ralph are you sure that it was a 'Wolga M21' in DDR, not GAZ... we already have a disscusion about these local names: /vehicle_77700-ZAZ-966-Zaporojetz-1967.html

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Ralph DE

2007-03-23 18:06

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yes, in east germany and in west-germany also, it is a Wolga M21. and the combi is Wolga M22.

But i don't know what is the best to say.

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pilou BE

2007-08-30 16:01

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I think that the sitution is becoming totally absurd here .You have about 150 Gaz Volgas , 8 Volgas and 17 Wolgas and they are in essence all the same cars and models.So you list 3 different makes for the same cars. .Why not list those according to the Georgano classification , by different make :
for the cars produced by GAZ , the Zavod Iniemi Molotova Works in Gorky ,those are simply listed by their make name in english writing as:
-Zim (Gaz M-12)
-Chaica ( Gaz M-13)
-Pobieda ( Gaz M-20)
-Volga ( Gaz M-21)...
If one has to file same cars under different alphabets be they roman , cyrillic... the situation will become unsustainable.
Chevrolet ,Pontiac, Oldsmobile , Buick Cadillac are all General Motors manufactured Products but anyway different makes.Zim , Chaica Pobieda, Volga are all Gaz manufactured Products but also different makes.

Weasel1984 PL

2007-08-30 16:35

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I think the situation of GAZ is a bit different than GM - as everything is made in the same plant and one name belongs only to one model. I agree that all of them should be listed in the same way, especially if badges are cyryllic, but with GAZ as make for me.
It's indeed a bit complicated however using names in sort of Volga or Pobieda as independent makes is also not good idea - Volga was a succesor of Pobieda and what with GAZ 69 etc.?
On the other hand, maybe I would get rid of the VAZ brand as they manufactured different cars only under one name - Lada (or Zhiguli) same like we don't use MZMA/AZLK for Moskvitches.
I hope, my English is understandable. ;)

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Ralph DE

2007-08-30 17:58

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from japan http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_gold/models/image/ixo/clc088-01-1.jpg (Volga M-21)

from usa
http://www.scheida.at/wolgabilder/wolgawerbung1.jpg (Volga M-21)
http://www.scheida.at/wolgabilder/wolgatestusa1.jpg (Volga)

from germany
http://www.scheida.at/wolgabilder/wolgaprotobericht.jpg (M-21 "Wolga")
http://www.scheida.at/volgacenter/kaufberatung3.jpg (Wolga M-21)
http://www.scheida.at/volgacenter/kaufbericht5.jpg (Wolga M-21)
http://www.polizeiautos.de/show_one-modell.php?id=273

from Nederland
http://www.scheida.at/wolgabilder/hollanddieselint1.jpg (Volga Sedan 21 M)
http://www.scheida.at/wolgabilder/hollanddieselint2.jpg

-- Last edit: 2007-08-30 18:00:22

Weasel1984 PL

2007-08-30 18:12

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From Germany again:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ-12_ZIM
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolga_%28Automarke%29 (automarke, but how pics are describe).
Netherlands:
Link to "www.oldtimernederland.nl"
People call them like they want, IXO - do not even know the correct m.y. of Tatra 603 which they make in 1/43, so about Wołga they also can be wrong.
On some western markets the badges were probably different and there they had indeed a different make (however even these one from USA and Netherlands had cyryllic GAZ logo).
It is not the case of how they were commonly named, but how to list them here on the site. Now some of them are GAZ Volga, some others Wolga or even Wolga GAZ - and all of them are from the same country. /vehicles_make-Wolga.html


-- Last edit: 2007-08-30 18:43:59

chris40 UK

2007-08-30 18:22

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Weasel1984 wrote I think the situation of GAZ is a bit different than GM - as everything is made in the same plant and one name belongs only to one model. I agree that all of them should be listed in the same way, especially if badges are cyryllic, but with GAZ as make for me.
It's indeed a bit complicated however using names in sort of Volga or Pobieda as independent makes is also not good idea - Volga was a succesor of Pobieda and what with GAZ 69 etc.?
On the other hand, maybe I would get rid of the VAZ brand as they manufactured cars only under one name - Lada (or Zhiguli) same like we don't use MZMA/AZLK for Moskvitches.
I hope, my English is understandable. ;)

Perfectly; a lot better than my Polish. Technically of course you're right, but I can't help feeling for visitors to the site who aren't as well up in these matters as we are. (Though not to the extent you probably have, I've mixed it with the odd Volga in my time as well.) They might perhaps recognise Volga, maybe even Pobieda, but if they've heard of the Gorki Automobile Factory at all they'll only associate it with GAZ-69s or trucks.

chris40 UK

2007-08-30 18:23

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[quote=pilou
-Volga ( Gaz M-21)...[/quote]
And GAZ M-24.

Weasel1984 PL

2007-08-30 18:37

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chris40 wrote
... They might perhaps recognise Volga, maybe even Pobieda, but if they've heard of the Gorki Automobile Factory at all they'll only associate it with GAZ-69s or trucks.

Yes, but it is not so hard to find them on the site even when are listed as GAZ.

Ralph DE

2007-08-31 15:39

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GAZ Group’s Main Assets:
Gorky Automobile Plant (Nizhny Novgorod) is Russia’s leading manufacturer of light commercial vehicles, trucks and cars under the leading brands of GAZel, Sobol, Valday, Sadko and Volga.


from the official GAZ web-page http://eng.gazgroup.ru/

also is Gaz the company, and Volga is the brand

Weasel1984 PL

2007-08-31 16:49

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I've seen this site before, well it depends on how you are interpreting the word "brand". For me it can be also a type/model, but if not we should rename also these vehicles:
1. Vans:
- /vehicles_make-GAZ_model-GAZelle.html - make GAZel
- /vehicle_10588-GAZ-Sobol-2217.html - make Sobol
They are nearly identical except that the second one is a bit more luxurious.
2. Trucks /vehicles_make-GAZ_model-3307.html - Sadko
Etc. there is a lot of others which we haven't on the site yet.
Anyway it means that if GAZ will be manufacture even 100 models of cars (and main difference will be engine or trim level) we will list them all with a new separate makes (plus local versions with the differently 'deciphered' Cyrillic alphabet) - probably not good idea, but it is not my business. ;)

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