Minerva

Minerva in From the Sea to the Land Beyond, Documentary, 2012

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dsl ◊ 2016-01-21 17:29	Sadly the Phantom Deleter has been active again at some stage in the last year or so. This entry was originally posted with a lot of additional information pursued by several people to identify the incident (an embarrassing and well-known at the time sinking within Dover harbour when the boat hit a sandbank, possibly en route to Zeebrugge if memory is accurate), and with supporting evidence and additional photos which were collectively found, the car was identified as a Minerva. The scene is significant to the film, as was pointed out when originally posted. The only bits I still have are these pictures, the first from the film, and the second an additional capture from somewhere else Can anyone else remember their contributions to rebuild this page??
antp ◊ 2017-03-26 12:15	recovered comments (better late than never) dsl wrote Normally I'd agree, but this was probably a significant event if we can trace it (and I'd really like to know what/where/when/how), and possibly identify the car(s) from other sources once the event is identified. chicomarx wrote Indeed. Even when the square is too big to find the car you've got to remain an optimist. Like the one that drowned in a half-full tub. dsl wrote This must be a famous incident (looks perhaps 1930s, despite being later in the film?? Dover???). So when, where and what? And does that give a clue to IDing the cars on the deck? dsl wrote Unable to find out - film gives no clues (no captions and there is no commentary). The DVD booklet mentions a 1927 film "August Weather" which might (or might not) be the source, but I can't find anything about that film. The harbour looks British .... mkenjalo wrote What's the backstory behind this sinking? kegare wrote Sorry, but I don't think this car is worth listing. Almost nothing is visible. andrepa wrote Bonne Fortune! andrepa wrote here the complete February 11th 1929 tragedy of Ville de Liege, Dover ferry desaster in all its splender. http://www.doverferryphotosforums.co.uk/wordpress/ss-ville-de-liege-past-and-present/ photo looks like collage, but here it is in a newspaper minutes before with deck not yet flooded! ship set on a rock, was salvaged 9 days later, but what happened with cars? kegare wrote I think that the amount of visibility of the car for identification purposes is a bigger priority on this site than the background story, which is more appropriate for autopuzzles.com. Now, thanks to andrepa who found its story the page can be deleted or else it will just be on the unknown list forever. These typical 1920s cars look too much alike and here there are no clearly visible details. Stuff like this is not usually validated. If there was no highlighting, users could not even tell there is a car in this picture. andrepa wrote maybe, if we link the newspaper printing tu support main pic, even can find better picture of event later, but than it is not of movie origin! BTW the cars looks very british by stiff vertical lines and big windows. chicomarx wrote So it's a Belgian ship, how embarrassing. Could be Minerva. dsl wrote Looks as if the footage used for FtSttLB came from http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_RTV/1929/02/14/BGV407140054/ (but poorer quality in link). More footage in first half of this Pathe news reel - http://www.britishpathe.com/video/arctic-britain/query/SAVING+HALF+A+SHIP with some different angle views. Stills laid out at http://www.britishpathe.com/video/stills/arctic-britain , but I can't find a way of capturing without the copyright text getting in the way. Found another image somewhere else - almost the same as main but looks a bit clearer after cropping Looks like a single car only, but a big one with a fairly long bonnet - would it match a Minerva?? Why was it outside on its own? was it too big to go anywhere else (if the ship carried cars at that point)? Or if the ship did not carry cars then (it seems to have been a mailboat/passenger ferry before becoming a car ferry in 1936), this car must have been an exceptional delivery so possibly a special event?? andrepa wrote Wow, very sharp shot, didn´t we identify cars not that good visible? d´acord with chicomarx, it could be 1928 Minerva due to high windglas, rear end and rounded grille mask! http://www.svvs.org/genpics7/1928_Minerva_Limousine.jpg this article even says, some of their malls have been taken off low tide! after all the 40 souls where saved http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/21376245 Link to "users.telenet.be" dsl wrote All the lifeboats look as if launched, perhaps explaining safe evacuation. Andre Malraux wrote Frankly, I don't think it's identifiable. andrepa wrote here i found Minerva with british Cunard body + story would fit perfectly, beeing related to Andover/Hampshire http://www.svvs.org/genpics7/1928_Minerva_Limousine.jpg http://www.svvs.org/help13.shtml dsl wrote As well as Cunard = Titanic = sinking. Seems there was no connection between the Cunards - the car coachbuilders started 1911, soon became a subsidiary of Napier (although were allowed to do some work on other makes) and then stopped in 1925. Name revived 1930 as independent company and assembled special bodies for MG then Rover in 1930s, then switched to commercial vehicles until dying out in 1960s. chicomarx wrote I would call it Minerva, tout court. No model. Based on several good clues, rounded radiator and headlight shape in particular. /vehicle_239600-Minerva-30CV-AC-1924.html andrepa wrote okay, was a bit to intuitive, but have learned by that story, that many Minervas were eqipped and imported to UK! dsl wrote Good work, gang. We all deserve a big plate of jelly sandwiches and lots of ginger beer. -- Last edit: 2017-03-26 12:18:50

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dsl

◊ 2016-01-21 17:29

Sadly the Phantom Deleter has been active again at some stage in the last year or so. This entry was originally posted with a lot of additional information pursued by several people to identify the incident (an embarrassing and well-known at the time sinking within Dover harbour when the boat hit a sandbank, possibly en route to Zeebrugge if memory is accurate), and with supporting evidence and additional photos which were collectively found, the car was identified as a Minerva. The scene is significant to the film, as was pointed out when originally posted.

The only bits I still have are these pictures, the first from the film, and the second an additional capture from somewhere else

Can anyone else remember their contributions to rebuild this page??

antp

◊ 2017-03-26 12:15

recovered comments (better late than never)

dsl wrote Normally I'd agree, but this was probably a significant event if we can trace it (and I'd really like to know what/where/when/how), and possibly identify the car(s) from other sources once the event is identified.

chicomarx wrote Indeed. Even when the square is too big to find the car you've got to remain an optimist. Like the one that drowned in a half-full tub.

dsl wrote

This must be a famous incident (looks perhaps 1930s, despite being later in the film?? Dover???). So when, where and what? And does that give a clue to IDing the cars on the deck?

dsl wrote Unable to find out - film gives no clues (no captions and there is no commentary). The DVD booklet mentions a 1927 film "August Weather" which might (or might not) be the source, but I can't find anything about that film. The harbour looks British ....

mkenjalo wrote What's the backstory behind this sinking?

kegare wrote Sorry, but I don't think this car is worth listing. Almost nothing is visible.

andrepa wrote Bonne Fortune!

andrepa wrote here the complete February 11th 1929 tragedy of Ville de Liege, Dover ferry desaster in all its splender.
http://www.doverferryphotosforums.co.uk/wordpress/ss-ville-de-liege-past-and-present/
photo looks like collage, but here it is in a newspaper minutes before with deck not yet flooded!
ship set on a rock, was salvaged 9 days later, but what happened with cars?

kegare wrote I think that the amount of visibility of the car for identification purposes is a bigger priority on this site than the background story, which is more appropriate for autopuzzles.com. Now, thanks to andrepa who found its story the page can be deleted or else it will just be on the unknown list forever. These typical 1920s cars look too much alike and here there are no clearly visible details. Stuff like this is not usually validated. If there was no highlighting, users could not even tell there is a car in this picture.

andrepa wrote maybe, if we link the newspaper printing tu support main pic, even can find better picture of event later, but than it is not of movie origin!
BTW the cars looks very british by stiff vertical lines and big windows.

chicomarx wrote So it's a Belgian ship, how embarrassing.

Could be Minerva.

dsl wrote Looks as if the footage used for FtSttLB came from http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_RTV/1929/02/14/BGV407140054/ (but poorer quality in link). More footage in first half of this Pathe news reel - http://www.britishpathe.com/video/arctic-britain/query/SAVING+HALF+A+SHIP with some different angle views. Stills laid out at http://www.britishpathe.com/video/stills/arctic-britain , but I can't find a way of capturing without the copyright text getting in the way. Found another image somewhere else - almost the same as main but looks a bit clearer after cropping

Looks like a single car only, but a big one with a fairly long bonnet - would it match a Minerva?? Why was it outside on its own? was it too big to go anywhere else (if the ship carried cars at that point)? Or if the ship did not carry cars then (it seems to have been a mailboat/passenger ferry before becoming a car ferry in 1936), this car must have been an exceptional delivery so possibly a special event??

andrepa wrote Wow, very sharp shot, didn´t we identify cars not that good visible?
d´acord with chicomarx, it could be 1928 Minerva due to high windglas, rear end and rounded grille mask!
http://www.svvs.org/genpics7/1928_Minerva_Limousine.jpg
this article even says, some of their malls have been taken off low tide! after all the 40 souls where saved
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/21376245
Link to "users.telenet.be"

dsl wrote All the lifeboats look as if launched, perhaps explaining safe evacuation.

Andre Malraux wrote Frankly, I don't think it's identifiable.

andrepa wrote here i found Minerva with british Cunard body + story would fit perfectly, beeing related to Andover/Hampshire
http://www.svvs.org/genpics7/1928_Minerva_Limousine.jpg
http://www.svvs.org/help13.shtml

dsl wrote As well as Cunard = Titanic = sinking. Seems there was no connection between the Cunards - the car coachbuilders started 1911, soon became a subsidiary of Napier (although were allowed to do some work on other makes) and then stopped in 1925. Name revived 1930 as independent company and assembled special bodies for MG then Rover in 1930s, then switched to commercial vehicles until dying out in 1960s.

chicomarx wrote I would call it Minerva, tout court. No model.
Based on several good clues, rounded radiator and headlight shape in particular. /vehicle_239600-Minerva-30CV-AC-1924.html

andrepa wrote okay, was a bit to intuitive, but have learned by that story, that many Minervas were eqipped and imported to UK!

dsl wrote Good work, gang. We all deserve a big plate of jelly sandwiches and lots of ginger beer.

-- Last edit: 2017-03-26 12:18:50

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Minerva in From the Sea to the Land Beyond, Documentary, 2012

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