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1971 Ford Transit Custom MkI

1971 Ford Transit MkI in Le diable au cœur, Movie, 1976

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1971 Ford Transit Custom MkI

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Lateef ◊ 2015-10-16 08:56	1971-74 Transit Custom
DidierF ◊ 2015-10-16 09:04	Custom doesn't sound French market-friendly. (Neither German, but the flag is probably wrong, no? Weren't those made in Britain?) And—I have not seen the movie—isn't the van a hearse?
Lateef ◊ 2015-10-16 09:15	Most likely made in Belgium. Chrome bumpers usually mean Custom, and the Custom name WAS used in France.
DidierF ◊ 2015-10-16 09:37	… Yes, probabaly, maybe, se puede, forse, but… you send me to another IMCDb Ford Transit! (I'm trying to find French ads or brochures for the Mk.I.)
DidierF ◊ 2015-10-16 09:59	Really, we still are very far to be a site of reference: — Ford Transit MkI "Origin: United Kingdom": 14 pages; — Ford Transit Mk1 "Origin: Germany": 21 pages!
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-10-16 14:06	Link to "en.m.wikipedia.org"
dsl ◊ 2015-10-16 15:00	My understanding is that the Transit was the first attempt by Ford to create collaboration between Ford UK and Ford D as a joint development project to start the process of integration into a Ford Europe. The wiki page seems not to appreciate this dimension. The next joint project after that was the Mk1 Capri, followed by the Consul/Granada. Along the way, this push for collaborative development went off-track with the Escort Mk1 which was given to Ford UK with Ford D not wanting to get their fingers too dirty because they wanted to lead the Taunus TC1/Cortina Mk3 project. Our general practice is to enter RHD Transits as UK origin and LHD as D origin, which is probably the best interpretation we can make of all these uncertainties/internal politics/flexible production.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-10-16 15:40	Which means that origin is being interpreted as the country where it was designed and not where it was built. Since Genk is in Belgium, and Amsterdam is in the Netherlands, what view do we take? -- Last edit: 2015-10-16 15:43:56
DidierF ◊ 2015-10-16 15:42	dsl wrote My understanding is that the Transit was the first attempt by Ford to create collaboration between Ford UK and Ford D as a joint development project to start the process of integration into a Ford Europe. The wiki page seems not to appreciate this dimension. Actually, it looks like the said page alternately says "Ford Transit=heir of the Thames" then "under ths inspiration of Henry Ford II etc., joint project". Anyway, if we have the habit to toss the coin, I mean, to look at the position of the steering wheel, alright. (You know, I grew up under the strict persuasion that those nice little trucks were British, and I never ceased to believe that. And I'm almost old, now.) Nevertheless, the only factories mentionned for the MkI were British and Belgian (… OK, and Dutch and Turkish). No mention of a German factory, it's weird. Or it's just an other one of those poor pages we find on wikipedia, now and then. -- Last edit: 2015-10-16 15:46:21
dsl ◊ 2015-10-17 01:58	What's the German perspective on the Transit's origins?? ingo?? cl82?? m.pfaffetc?? mike?? andrepa?? Is it significant/symbolic that Ford D were already using the Transit name??
cl82 ◊ 2015-10-17 15:09	Hard to find a clear answer as far as this generation of Transit is concerned. As we all know, it was never produced in Germany (unlike its predecessor). And since there was no "Ford of Europe" yet when this particular model was still under development, I always thought this was a car engineered by Ford of Britain, built mainly both in the UK (first Langley, then Southampton)and Belgium (and in limited numbers at the Amsterdam plant and in Turkey for the local market)and sold all over Europe. To cut a long story short: I could do without the German flag here as only a good deal of the engines that were offered were German.
Sandie ◊ 2015-10-17 16:25	Either way I find it baffling that we alter the origin of what is essentially the same vehicle depending on what side the steering wheel is on.
dsl ◊ 2015-10-17 17:07	It's pretty much the same custom as we have for Escort Mk1, Capri Mk1, Granada/Consul Mk1 (until 1975 when UK production ended). Worth noting that in all these cases there were some at least different engines and versions between UK-made and Europe-made. And late 60s/early 70s UK was outside Common Market, so LHD cars made within and for Europe would have price advantage over any LHD production exported from UK. For Transit Mk1, we could switch all origin to UK without loss of meaningful accuracy if that's what people want. We'd probably then need to decide whether to support the change by making all LHD-within-Europe as made in B and/or NL, and how/when to make that split. Plus accept the inherent assumption that UK did not make LHD Mk1s for Europe.
DidierF ◊ 2015-10-17 17:12	dsl wrote (…) We'd probably then need to decide whether to support the change by making all LHD-within-Europe as made in B and/or NL, and how/when to make that split. Plus accept the inherent assumption that UK did not make LHD Mk1s for Europe. You, maximalist you! Weren't LHD first made in Britain?
dsl ◊ 2015-10-17 17:18	johnfromstaffs wrote Which means that origin is being interpreted as the country where it was designed and not where it was built. We run both systems according to what we fancy. Fiat-based Seats are origin E, Siam Di Tellas are origin UK, Paykans and successor names use both before and after a date threshold, VWs round the world are an amazing cocktail of interpretations even though many were Wolfsburg designs (maybe never used in D but off-loaded to S America or wherever). I'm sure if we started looking at eg Bedford/Leyland buses/trucks in detail we'd find lots of wobblies there too. But those are not examples of where we might/might not have got it wrong - simply illustrating that the issues are too complex and open to interpretation to expect consistency in our approach.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-10-17 17:35	I do have to say that my personal view of country of origin would mean the place where the vehicle rolled off the track and got started up for the first time, even if it had been assembled from ckd kits. Vehicles built by my employer were always c of o UK, whether using our or other designs from exotic companies. -- Last edit: 2015-10-17 17:40:06
DidierF ◊ 2015-10-17 17:38	dsl wrote We run both systems according to what we fancy. Fiat-based Seats are origin E No, they aren't anymore, for those which were conceived in Italy (before 65 or 67, I can't exactly remember but es.wiki and en.wiki are precise on it).
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2015-10-18 02:52	johnfromstaffs wrote I do have to say that my personal view of country of origin would mean the place where the vehicle rolled off the track and got started up for the first time, even if it had been assembled from ckd kits. Vehicles built by my employer were always c of o UK, whether using our or other designs from exotic companies. We used to mark CKD kit built cars as where the vehicle was originally derived from and then where the kit came from (such as a american Chevy Impala RHD kit going to Australia from Canadian facilities) and then the Made for place where the car was sold. Although i've never understood why RHD/LHD can't be used as evidence as "Made for".
Ingo ◊ 2015-10-19 12:35	dsl wrote What's the German perspective on the Transit's origins?? ingo?? cl82?? m.pfaffetc?? mike?? andrepa?? Is it significant/symbolic that Ford D were already using the Transit name?? On one spare parts market I had an original West German Kraftfahrzeugbrief (= title) of a 1967' Transit in my hands. As origin maker was remarked "Ford GB". -- Last edit: 2015-10-19 12:36:01

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