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1966 Alvis TF 21 3-Litre Graber Comments about this vehicle| Author | Message |
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◊ 2007-09-18 10:51 |
The silver car on the left (I was thinking Reliant scimitar, but as it's lined up with Alvis' it maybe a special.?) |
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◊ 2007-09-18 13:06 |
Rear is a bit like a Reliant Scimitar SE4, but number plate is in the wrong place. |
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◊ 2007-09-18 13:51 |
A few TC108's were made. I've never seen one but, allowing for the bad light in the photograph, this may be a possibility. http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/themousehole/AlvisTC108GAdvert1.jpg |
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◊ 2007-09-18 16:45 |
There appears to be the TC108, which I guess was the in-house version, and the TC108 Graber, Swiss-built by the Alvis dealer. The Alvis TC108 is without the lips over the wheel-arches seen in the picture. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2922040970036570804KTuWtN The Alvis TC108 Graber had the wheel-arch lips but vertical tail-lamps not horizontal as in the picture. http://www.alvis-tc108-graber.ch For me, I think we are probably looking for another make and not an Alvis. Slightly too low in build and rear-lamps are not typically Alvis or of the period? |
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◊ 2007-09-18 16:57 |
It looks to me like a Lotus Elan S2. http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/19092 |
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◊ 2007-09-18 17:50 |
I agree the general shape is right (I thought the same .gif ";)") ) but the silver car in the picture looks to have a slim C pillar and a fixed glass in the rear quarter. |
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◊ 2007-09-18 17:53 |
Cannot quite read it.....Registration number "?BC 440" perhaps? |
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◊ 2007-09-18 20:51 |
... or it could be ?BC 44C; the S2 came out in 1964 ... that's if it is an Elan S2. I wonder if your slim C pillar and fixed glass could be a trick of the light? |
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◊ 2007-09-18 22:25 |
Yes quite possible. I cannot find ?BC 440 or ?BG 440 so 'C' would be worth looking for. I don't think so. The shape of the rear screen is also wrong for me. The Elan's was almost parallel on the verticals. Here it is noticeably wider at the bottom. (Fuel filler and number palate lights are also not seen but were prominent on the Lotus.) I think two exhaust pipes are just visible under the bumper, one on each side? edit: The other thing I seem to remember is the Lotus had strange (unique) double curvature side glasses in the doors. Made by putting the axis of curvature at an angle - only Lotus did this I think. The picture shows flat glass in the doors. -- Last edit: 2007-09-18 22:31:01 |
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◊ 2007-09-18 22:32 |
I am not really convinced that it is a Lotus Elan. With such rear lights it can only be a Series 1 Type 26, if I am not mistaken. This means it would be a roadster/convertible with a hardtop. But the Type 26 hardtop looks different: ![[Image: rech06448p4302352158096mf9.7251.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is62/rech06448p4302352158096mf9.7251.jpg) Also the braking/rear lights are slightly larger than the indicators, which should be visible, but is not. But the strongest point against it being a Lotus Elan is the size: ![[Image: elba06storico3515806ea4ve8.1207.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is112/elba06storico3515806ea4ve8.1207.jpg) The Elan is a rather small car while this one is a lot larger. -- I haven't been able to find a matching car. Size and design wise my first idea was Gordon-Keeble, but the lights don't match. Gilbern was my next choice, but again different lights (next to some other details...). Other Giugiaro's designs I looked at were the Iso Rivolta, BMW 3200 CS, Aston Martin DB4 GT Jet, Maserati 5000 GT Bertone ... but I didn't get any closer. So far it is a bit of a mystery. |
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◊ 2007-09-18 22:43 |
Elan S2: http://www.lotuselan.net/uploads/road_n_track_65_1_1.jpg Reliant SE4: http://www.partaj.cz/imgs/anglicani/reliant_scimitar_gt_3.jpg Lotus Elan +2: http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/vehicle/picture.ehtml?i=20;p=1317177546 Hmm... |
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◊ 2007-09-19 00:11 |
From what I believe I can see, the rear lights are two groups of three lights. Turn, Stop/Tail and Reverse, reading from the outside to centre. Not a Lotus that I know of. I also agree about the size it appears to be larger than the Elan by some margin. |
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◊ 2007-09-19 10:32 |
It seems a bit of this silver car is seen partially here on the left:- /vehicle_128407-unknown.html |
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◊ 2007-09-19 11:54 |
... at least two more Alvis cars in the same row....it looks again like this could also be an Alvis. So an Alvis with specialist coachwork? |
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◊ 2007-09-19 12:13 |
Maybe this 1966 Graber-bodied Alvis TF21 Super then: http://www.christophgrohe.com/gestion/img/archive/1133886835N.jpg |
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◊ 2007-09-19 12:24 |
I am also tending towards Alvis TF21 with a special Graber body. Park Ward made Graber bodies in licence ... might be a lead. Also possible that the rear end was rebodied after a crash ... which makes it even more difficult. Is there any information on the date and location of this classic car meeting? Very often lists or brochures with participating cars are handed out. |
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◊ 2007-09-19 12:41 |
I agree the car shown is a distinct possibility. The rear boot area appears to drop away more than other Alvis models. |
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◊ 2007-09-19 15:46 |
Plus, looking at the shot Stronghold is referring to, the wing details and wheels seem to tie up. It's one of a 100, apparently. |
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◊ 2009-07-24 16:38 |
The silver car on the left is a 1966 or 7 Alvis TF 21 by Graber, a coupe. To the right, a TD 21 Series II or later. |
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◊ 2019-03-18 20:24 |
compare this Matrix model of a 1967 Graber. |
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