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Ingo ◊ 2007-12-01 21:56	Chrysler Saratoga, my suggestion. -- Last edit: 2007-12-01 21:57:28
cieraguy ◊ 2007-12-03 04:21	You are correct. Where is this filmed? The Saratoga was only sold in Europe.
garco ◊ 2007-12-03 16:31	http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0783598/locations
cieraguy ◊ 2007-12-04 02:01	This scene must be from Bulgaria, although the rest of the vehicles are sold in America. Were they sold in Europe too? Maybe also they brought the Saratoga to use in the parts filmed in the USA thinking no one would notice?
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-04 07:49	Maybe it's a Mexican-market model (wild guess)
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2007-12-04 11:36	I'm pretty sure this is the Boyana studio backlot in Sofia. I could prove it if the old Boyana Film website hadn't disappeared. The van looks as if it might be the Chevrolet G-20 from Control, another Nu Image film made in Bulgaria. /vehicle_101862-Chevrolet-G-20.html -- Last edit: 2007-12-04 11:38:24
antp ◊ 2007-12-04 18:20	Anyway there are few of all US models in European countries, privately imported. Plus some others like this Chrysler which were sold officially.
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-04 22:53	Now that I've learned more about the movie and the company, I believe they might have just as well imported a small number of "staple" vehicles to use in their Sofia-made films.
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2007-12-04 22:57	Nu Image certainly have Chevrolet Caprices for use as police cars, but other than that they probably haven't imported cars specially from the US. As antp said, there are enough American cars available in Europe. /vehicle_101871-Chevrolet-Caprice-1991.html
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 21:21	cieraguy wrote You are correct. Where is this filmed? The Saratoga was only sold in Europe. How was the name in the U.S.? I had such a car as a rental car in 1993 in Denver,CO, and as I remember, it was a "Saratoga", too. This is the reason, why I could name it easily. Otherwise m y knowldege about US-cars is weak.
Buc84 ◊ 2007-12-08 21:46	Called a Dodge Spirit,Plymouth Acclaim and Chrysler Le Baron in N.American market.And they were very common rental cars.From what I understand,the import Saratoga is 95-97% same car as the US Le Baron?? (Things like lens,Lic Plt brackets,nameplates,guages etc different....plus isn't a stick shift available...or maybe a Diesel,too?? Heard once that the Euro-Model Voyagers could be had with those items??) -- Last edit: 2007-12-08 21:47:39
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-08 21:51	Dunno abotu Saratoga, but I'd doubt they had anything the US version hadn't. No diesel engines were fitted into imported Chryslers then, but the Voyager for the European market was built in Graz and fitted with VM diesels. You could also obviously have one with a manual (but only for the smaller engines).
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 22:40	The Voyager I only know as a Chrysler, not as a Dodge. A Chrysler Le Baron was -in Germany- only the convertible. The 4-door-sedan was a Saratoga. But in Germany I have seen a Saratoga only one or two times. I know the car -as I said- from my trip to the U.S. I've heard, too, that there shall be US-cars with Diesel-engine, but except SUV's and Vans I cannot remember, that I have ever seen an US-made sedan, coupe or convertible with a Diesel-engine. Probably some Chrysler got a Mercedes-Diesel-engine in the last years. I don't know, US-made Chrylser were always out the of the public view in Germany. The Voyager was the most popular Chrysler over here, then sometimes you can see a Le Baron from pre-Mercedes-times, sometimes a Neon or Stratus, perhaps a SUV, that's all. In the last ADAC-magazine was shown a ranking of the members. Chrysler belongs together with Rover and Chevrolet (nowadays only Daewoo-products in Germany) to the companies with the worst reputation. -- Last edit: 2007-12-08 22:40:58
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-08 23:08	The Sebring, Avenger and Caliber come with a 2.0 VW diesel for Europe - other than that, I can't recall anything non-truck with a diesel from America.
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 23:24	The Avenger?? /vehicle_32639-Chrysler-Avenger-1976.html This cannot be. In 1976 VW just had started their first steps with Diesel-engines without any export of the engines. By the way: which cars ecept the Volvo-7-Series (740 and so) got VW-Diesel-engines, too? A Sebring was available with a Diesel, too? Oh, I didn't know that. What is a Chrysler Caliber? -- Last edit: 2007-12-08 23:25:17
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 23:26	Ah, I've found it: Link to "www.autoplenum.de" I cannot say, if I ever have seen such a car on the road.
DynaMike ◊ 2007-12-08 23:46	In 1978 Oldsmobile came with a diesel engine, and later all GM-makes (even Cadillac) joined the club. The Oldsmobile was also sold in Germany (Mit Dieselmotor kostete 1979 die 98 Regency Limousine DM 23.000,-; 1980 kostete das Supreme Calais Coupé DM 23.028, die Cutlass Salon Brougham Limousine DM 21.513,-, die Cutlass Supreme Brougham Limousine DM 22.826,-, der Cutlass Brougham Cruiser Kombi DM 22.220,-, die Delta 88 Limousine DM 23.230,-, der Custom Cruiser Kombi DM 24.492,50 und die 98 Regency Luxury Limousine DM 27.270,-; 1981 kostete die Delta 88 Royal Limousine DM 24.710,- und der Cruiser Kombi DM 26.105,-; diese Angaben aus dem 'Autokatalog'. Neuere Jahrgänge habe ich leider nicht... In Holland gab es Anfang der achziger Jahre die ganze Palette).
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-08 23:52	Ingo - I've meant Dodge Avenger and Caliber, obviously! Mitsubishi Grandis also gets a VW diesel (the same one, actually). DynaMike - I've meant "modern times". Who can forget the Oldsmobile diesel (certainly not the owners...)
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-08 23:55	Quote A Sebring was available with a Diesel, too? Oh, I didn't know that. It was not - the new model is the first one to come with a diesel option, actually. It's either good looks or the diesel, apparently.
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-08 23:58	Hmm, yes now I remember a comment of a guy, who owned a Oldsmobile Diesel of the lates 70ies: "A torque like a shunting locomotive" But there could't be sold more than a few dozen over here. I cannot remember, that I've seen any over the years, not even on oldtimer-meetings or -markets in the last years.
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-09 00:04	Well, GM did make shunting locomotives at that time, so this is where they might have got that engine, given its NVH (j/k ). I was referring to their horrendous reliability (or the lack thereof).
Ingo ◊ 2007-12-09 00:44	Horrendous reliability? O.k, this can be a reason, why it was not possible to sell them. No chance to be a serious rival to the Mercedes Diesel, the engines, who survived millions of kilometers, not only thousands, without getting broken.
Bravada ◊ 2007-12-09 00:50	The Olds Diesel was actually created out of a petroleum-engine block, which was quite obviously unsuitable for such use, and GM had little experience with passenger-car diesel application (not to mention their usual quality problems at that time). Benz was on the opposite end of the scale in all the areas mentioned.
Buc84 ◊ 2007-12-09 04:08	What was really bad was (#1)It was based off a Gas engine that actually was quite reliable but mostly (#2) When you say "Diesel Powered Car" in this country,two cars come to mind? One you can't kill(Mercedes,with it's 500,000-1,000,000 mile reliablity)and one that won't stay running?(Olds 350 "DX",1978-81 might get 35-40,000 before heads/inj. pump goes again.Tragic that by the time GM figured out the problems & redesigned it(1982-85)where they did hold up,nobody would touch one!!!)
8ball ◊ 2009-03-30 17:39	this is a chrysler saratoga but the van is a chevy and so is the caprice police cars in the background

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