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carfan ◊ 2007-05-15 00:14	many of these cars weren't accurate to the years they were supposed to take place in. for example the race that showed the #2 Monte Carlo, it had 1973-1976 Monte carlos. Even thought there were quite a few mistakes, this is a movie for any true fans of Dale Earnhardt (the Man in Black, The intimidator). -- Last edit: 2007-05-15 02:08:16
antp ◊ 2007-05-15 17:05	Note for Jun: "Race" category is for cars made especially for race (e.g. Nascar of F1), not for normal road cars used for race (even if heavily modified) -- Last edit: 2007-05-15 17:06:33
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2007-05-15 17:07	I dont see why, once they are modified those cars are made to race
antp ◊ 2007-05-15 18:03	They are still sedan or coupé cars. Race car category was made to prevent F1 and other cars like that from being listed as convertible There is a difference between a car made especially for the race, without any basis, and a car just a little modified to use in a race (e.g. since what point is it a race car? when you had a number on it? a spoiler? when headlights are removed?) -- Last edit: 2007-05-15 18:04:39
ahight ◊ 2007-05-15 18:04	antp wrote Note for Jun: "Race" category is for cars made especially for race (e.g. Nascar of F1), not for normal road cars used for race (even if heavily modified) Sorry...that was me that did that!
antp ◊ 2007-05-15 18:05	Sorry for Jun then I thought that he uploaded the pictures
Jun ◊ 2007-05-15 18:11	No problem And thank you, ahight
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2007-05-15 20:26	antp wrote They are still sedan or coupé cars. Race car category was made to prevent F1 and other cars like that from being listed as convertible There is a difference between a car made especially for the race, without any basis, and a car just a little modified to use in a race (e.g. since what point is it a race car? when you had a number on it? a spoiler? when headlights are removed?) Of course if i go walking down the street and i see one of those im not gonna say, oh look a normal car, id say oh look that is a race car... and those cars are modified to put on a track not to drive them on normal roads, so they are race cars.
antp ◊ 2007-05-15 21:40	So this is a race car? /vehicle_2071-Dodge-Charger-R-T-1969.html (as it has a number on the side) or does it have to be put on track for that? So this one is a race car: /vehicle_2157-Ford-Mustang-1965.html though that it is just a normal Mustang, but with a number and used on a track. The "category"/"class" here on the site is not the use of the car, but more the body type... (that's why I did not want to add "taxi" and "police") -- Last edit: 2007-05-15 21:42:20
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2007-05-15 22:01	Dont change things and make them complicated, everything is very clear, consider a race car whichever you want to and dont consider the ones you dont, im not gonna start a useless discussion.
antp ◊ 2007-05-15 23:13	I do not change things, that was like that since the beginning. A race car is a car made for race, not a car used for race.
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2007-05-15 23:16	yes, and those cars are made for a race
antp ◊ 2007-05-15 23:17	That Bel Air for example was not "made" for a race, it is just an old car used in a race.
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2007-05-16 00:01	it was obviously prepared for a race
carfan ◊ 2007-05-29 17:01	They said in the "Making Of" feature they tried to make the cars as accurate as possible. They did an ok job with the more recent cars but not a very good job with the olders cars.
wrenchhead ◊ 2007-05-29 17:39	The 'National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing' (NASCAR) is sort of a joke as far as "stock cars" go. In the beginning NASCAR cars were in fact "stock" cars built by and bought from the manufacturer and used for racing. They had all the stuff that came from the factory (doors, lights, dash, seat, etc.). Many things were removed to save weight but they were still 'as built' and anyone could buy one from a dealer and race it. Modern NASCAR cars are special built race cars with a simple body shell made to look like a street car. They are NOT built by the manufacturer they represent - they only have to fit a set of templates so the exterior will look almost right. They have no doors, lights, or anything else that a normal car will have. Most importantly you can't buy one from a dealer - they are special built racers. In my opinion, modern NASCAR cars are just as much special built race cars as are the F1 cars. In spite of what most fans think you can't just modify a big stock chevy to compete in a NASCAR race. Here is a typical modern NASCAR frame http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/nascar-frame.jpg Anyone still think its a chevy or ford?? -- Last edit: 2007-05-29 21:46:43
carfan ◊ 2007-05-30 20:46	I agree wrenchhead. Also, i know you know this but the frame is the same for all stock cars, it's just the outer shell that will show what kind of car it was modeled after. i was thinking of what it would be like if people still bought cars from the dealership and modified them for racing like they used to in the early days of NASCAR.
wrenchhead ◊ 2007-05-30 23:16	carfan wrote i was thinking of what it would be like if people still bought cars from the dealership and modified them for racing like they used to in the early days of NASCAR. For one thing, a lot more drivers would be killed. Can you imagine hitting a wall at 170 or 180 MPH in a "stock" road car? A lot of the early dirvers were hurt and most of the changes made in NASCAR have been for driver safety reasons. I do think, however, that they should reevaluate their name because there is nothing "stock" about these cars - not the frame, body, engine, running gear, brakes, wheels or tires come from the factory. After all the word "stock" as used here means a racing car with the basic chassis of a commercially available car. I continue raise this issue because, we generally try to identify a replica when we post it on IMCDB to distinguish it from a real car (Cobras for example) and I continue to think that all modern NASCAR cars should be listed as replicas (and not very good replicas at that).
antp ◊ 2007-05-31 10:25	Well, they all have "NASCAR" at the end of their name, like some replicas that have "Replica" somewhere in their name too...
wrenchhead ◊ 2007-05-31 16:13	I know, but just adding 'nascar' does not really tell uninformed people that these are not real brands and were not made by ford, chevy, etc.
carfan ◊ 2007-09-09 18:45	I've got the much better "Dale" movie recored on dvd.
Red Grant ◊ 2007-12-13 22:07	wrenchhead wrote The 'National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing' (NASCAR) is sort of a joke as far as "stock cars" go. In the beginning NASCAR cars were in fact "stock" cars built by and bought from the manufacturer and used for racing. They had all the stuff that came from the factory (doors, lights, dash, seat, etc.). Many things were removed to save weight but they were still 'as built' and anyone could buy one from a dealer and race it. Modern NASCAR cars are special built race cars with a simple body shell made to look like a street car. They are NOT built by the manufacturer they represent - they only have to fit a set of templates so the exterior will look almost right. They have no doors, lights, or anything else that a normal car will have. Most importantly you can't buy one from a dealer - they are special built racers. In my opinion, modern NASCAR cars are just as much special built race cars as are the F1 cars. In spite of what most fans think you can't just modify a big stock chevy to compete in a NASCAR race. Here is a typical modern NASCAR frame http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/nascar-frame.jpg Anyone still think its a chevy or ford?? Exactly! I just call it Redneck F1! -- Last edit: 2007-12-13 22:08:24
carfan ◊ 2008-01-02 03:33	Red Grant wrote Exactly! I just call it Redneck F1! When will people learn that Nascar isn't rednecks wathcing other rednecks race? No offense. -- Last edit: 2008-01-02 03:33:28
Red Grant ◊ 2008-01-08 01:45	OK so maybe 10-20% of all Nascar fans aren't rednecks.

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