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1950 Daimler DE27 converted to Sedanca de Ville Landaulette [51329]

1950 Daimler DE27 [51329] in Grace & Favour, TV Series, 1992-1993 Ep. 2.06

Class: Cars, Limousine — Model origin:

1950 Daimler DE27 converted to Sedanca de Ville Landaulette [51329]

Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

Owner of this vehicle: Vintage Hoot

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BBDesign ◊ 2016-08-20 12:50
dsl ◊ 2016-08-20 13:26	Registration MHY555 Make DAIMLER Model LIMOUSINE ✓ Taxed Tax due: 01 June 2017 MOT Exempt Date of first registration 26 April 1950 Year of manufacture 1950 Cylinder capacity (cc) 4095cc Fuel type PETROL Export marker No Vehicle status Tax not due Vehicle colour CREAM 4095cc suggests DE27 (205 built) or DH27 (50 built)??? maudslay wrote The DH27 was a later variant with flared-in headlamps. from /vehicle_519925-Daimler-DE27-1948.html
dsl ◊ 2016-08-20 13:37	Peter Ruifrok wrote ..... These Daimler models were either DE36, DE27 or DH27. The difference can be seen from the two side mounted spare wheels and the presence of bonnet side vents. A DE36 and a DH27 have two side mounted spare wheels. The DE27 had only one spare wheel, usually in the boot although there exists one DE27 with its single spare wheel side mounted. The DE36 and the DE27 have both bonnet side vents, the DH27 has not. The other main difference between the DE36 on the one hand and the DE27 or the DH27 on the other hand cannot be seen, since it is hidden under the bonnet: the DE36 has a 5460 cc straight eight engine, the DE27 and the DH27 have a 4095 cc straight six. Most DE's/DH's were built right hand drive, although a few left hand drives exist. If one purchased such a car, one purchased a rolling chassis. Then a suitable coach builder was choosen to make a body (usually Hooper, Freestone & Webb or Windover). ...... DH's are special in the sense that they were already purpose-built as VIP-taxi's by Hooper. The DH stands for Daimler Hire, a major UK chauferred car hire company by then no longer related to Daimler. DE's exist amongst others as limousines (with a partition between the driver's and the passengers' area), as landaulettes, drop head coupes and even hearses. They combined very solid build with smooth driving and were expensive. DE's were sold to royalty, heads of state, captains of industry etc. In addition they were used to transport VIPs, for weddings and for funerals. DE's and DH's were built between 1946 and 1953. I am the registrar of the Daimler and Lanchester Owners club for these cars. - /vehicle_79407-Daimler-Landaulet-DE36-1946.html . Also http://home.online.nl/pruifrok/deregister.html So we seem to have DE27. All it needs is a name ... -- Last edit: 2016-08-20 14:01:46
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2016-08-20 15:59	Why?
dsl ◊ 2016-08-20 16:57	Because with 6 cylinders it's not a Straight Eight, which is the name entered for all our DE27 collection until earlier today. And I can't find a specific model name for DE27s apart from maybe Limousine. Was Straight Six used?? Or Twenty-Seven which is what Glass's uses??
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2016-08-20 19:15	It appears to be called the DE27, or the DE36 if it's a Straight Eight. http://www.automobile-catalog.com/photo/1950/553535/55604.html A six cylinder engine with an 85mm bore is 27.3 RAC hp, the eight cylinder version is 36.42 RAC hp, but appears to have been rounded down. DE is the series name of the chassis. If you look at all the Daimler models prior to the DB18 Consort of 1950, there are no model names, even the DB18 wasn't called Consort until 1950, and it was introduced in 1939. These cars were introduced in 1946 probably before Daimler fell into the fashion for naming its models. What might be useful is the name of the coachbuilder. The plasterer in the village in which I grew up always had a Daimler Straight Eight to move his tin bath and bags of plaster around. After he retired (at about 83 years of age) he drove a 250 V-8. Horse power information taken from Page 534 of the Twelfth Edition (1920) of Dyke's Automobile and Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia, published by A L Dyke, St Louis MO, and available, at the time through S G Gillam, 149 The Strand London WC2. -- Last edit: 2016-08-20 19:35:42
dsl ◊ 2016-08-20 19:28	All (2!) our DH27s are currently listed as Limousine, and it seems what we do for DE27 should be same as DH27. I'm not pressing any particular button, just trying to untangle things after removing incorrect name of Straight Eight on the DE27s. So choices seem to be (i) DE27 and DH27 as simple model names (ii) Twenty-Seven [DE27] and Twenty-Seven [DH27] (as Glass's) (iii) Limousine [DE27] and Limousine [DH27] as half exists at the moment Press the button on your keypad to vote now.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2016-08-20 19:41	DH cars were all limousines for Daimler Hire, built on a 150 inch wheelbase. This example is not a limousine, which, in English usage means a closed car with a division between the driver and the quality folk (or the bags of plaster) in the back. Reference to the Windover's advert shows them calling it a "Twenty-Seven". I vote for choice (i), as used by Mr Ruifrok, who would know more than any of us, presumably. It also occurs to me that this would be no different from the way we name Bentleys, Mk VI, R-type and S-Series hardly being model names, just convenient labels, but it would also need some reference to the source of the body. So Daimler DE27 Coachwork by unknown would seem correct to me. -- Last edit: 2016-08-20 20:02:23
dsl ◊ 2016-08-20 20:13	OK - that's the four DE27s as simple model name - main issue resolved. On reflection with comments above - better to leave the pair of "Limousine [DH27]" as they are, or continue and switch to simple DH27 model name so they show up alongside DE27 in listings?
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2016-08-20 20:44	My feeling would be to use: - Daimler DE27 Landaulette (for example) Daimler DH27 Limousine Hooper Daimler DC27 Ambulance Barker Daimler DE36 Limousine or whatever, for the sake of standardisation, as we already have Bentley MkVI Saloon H J Mulliner or Leyland Royal Tiger Burlingham Seagull for instance. -- Last edit: 2016-08-20 21:03:40
dsl ◊ 2016-08-20 21:12	OK - I've done following as model names - DE27 - DH27 Limousine - DC27 Ambulance - DE36 Straight Eight DH27 Limousine and DC27 Ambulance are easy as only single bodystyle for each so including bodystyle defines them and helps them show up in listing. I think we'd end up with a mess by model-naming the various bodystyles for DE27 and DE36 except as as added info, and there are enough references for DE36 as Straight Eight to keep the title.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2016-08-20 21:51	Ambulance was bodied by both Barker and Hooper.
daimlere20 ◊ 2017-07-23 16:42	Confusion occurs when models are often referred to by chassis type/designation, rather than by the actual model name. DB18, for example, is a chassis designation, and not a model. The model is 2 1/2 litre. DE36 is again, a chassis designation, the model being Straight-Eight. Part of the reason the cars are referred to by chassis type is that it makes it far easier to recognise which model of car is being discussed. As stated, the DE36-chassised cars are called Straight-Eights, but there were also pre-war straight-eight-engined cars produced, on the V26, V4 1/2, & F4 1/2 chassises. Therefore, if you asked for information, say, on your Straight-Eight, you could be asking for information on anyone of four different types of vehicle! Clear as mud......
dsl ◊ 2017-07-23 18:57	... just as long as we end up with a workable system which makes sense, and will still work in 5 or 10 years time for a hopefully new batch of imcdbists to pick up and run with. Sometimes that's the best target we can set ourselves.
Vintage Hoot ◊ 2019-11-18 18:18	Oh its definitely got a name, its 'DIGBY', our Twenty Seven Sedanca de Ville Landaulette. Digby is looking a lot better than in the film since acquired about a decade ago, and in regular use and available for film or other events. Now 50% maroon. A full 9 seater with division, possibly a Barker body, but had a faded plaque with Empire or Emporer on it. Sedanca de Ville means town sedan referring to the opening roof cab and division, Landau or Landaulette refers to the drophood at the rear. These straight sixes seem more robust than the eights which suffered low oil pressure when processing at very low rpm, the Royal one in OZ was found with a snapped crank! The Daimler is the oldest British marque, (nothing to do with Daimler Benz or Chrysler !)had the Royal Warrant from 1900 to 1960, were the principal Royal state cars,but sadly the Film Industry often makes the mistake of assuming its always been Rolls as with 'the Crown series' -cars are the one area where historical accuracy often fails. For this reason your comments are very useful. We like to offer productions correct to period cars with historian consultation. www.vintagehoot.uk
honolulu joe ◊ 2021-06-30 16:27	Wow I had this as the bridesmaids car at my wedding in 1989 it wasn't cream then. Hired it from a chap around wokingham/camberley area somewhere with a railton drophead coupe and a vanden plas princess
daimlere20 ◊ 2023-01-17 19:24	Registration mark MHY555 currently for auction on Car & Classic website. Shame.
dsl ◊ 2024-07-21 12:57	2022 auction listing Before conversion (1990-ish) it was this black Barker limo.

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