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1922 Ford Model TT J.Lyons & Co. Class: Cars, Van / MPV — Model origin: 
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◊ 2016-02-03 01:07 |
![[Image: 01-32vanbliptonscoffee.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/01-32vanbliptonscoffee.jpg) ![[Image: 01-32vancjlyonsxl.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/01-32vancjlyonsxl.jpg) I think the numberplate (on scuttle panel under windscreeen) is XL = mid-1922. Headboard seems to be Lipton's (possible - definitely starts with L, other letters seem to fit) Coffee (definite). Side writing could be J Lyons & Co but may not be. |
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◊ 2016-02-03 12:34 |
It looks very much Ford TT, the solid back wheels may indicate aftermarket upgrade. |
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◊ 2016-02-03 13:31 |
'Lyon's Coffee' headboard. Typical Lyons livery. No idea about van maker, Lyon's obviously had a big fleet even in the 1920s... |
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◊ 2016-02-03 21:24 |
J. Lyons and Co. Ltd. had a fleet of over 600 petrol vehicles in 1924-1925. Nation-wide delivery by was by rail. Local deliveries outside of London within 50 miles was by 1-ton motors up to 6-ton Sentinels or 4-ton Leylands with trailers. The main vehicles used throughout London were '2-horse' vans and Vulcan 30cwt motor-vans, otherwise 'various larger and smaller vehicles' were also in use. I found nothing to say they had Ford-based vans at the time. Bodies were mainly by Normand Garage, Ltd. who also are sometimes mentioned as being the company ordering the bare chassis. johnfromstaffs, I agree that it looks very like a Ford TT, so go with that and hope to confirm or correct as necessary in the future with those listed as J. Lyons vehicles. -- Last edit: 2016-02-03 21:26:08 |
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◊ 2016-02-03 22:04 |
Our J.Lyons & Co collection gradually gathers more momentum, but the Crown Vics can rest easy. For now ..... |
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◊ 2016-02-04 00:43 |
While I can't go into denial about the firm's records of Vulcan 30 cwt trucks operated, I certainly find this image difficult to see as one such. The pictures I have found show a very much more prominent radiator, with the word Vulcan writ large, or a rather more discreet version but with the radiator mounted rather more forward than that of a T or TT. Scroll down for a 1922 Vulcan conveniently parked next to a TT Black Maria. http://www.gippslandvehiclecollection.org.au/vehicle_displays/2014_commercial_vehicles_1.html -- Last edit: 2016-02-04 00:49:11 |
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◊ 2016-02-04 12:21 |
I also happened across the Vulcan and Ford in your link yesterday which convinced me it should be the Ford, johnfromstaffs. I tried hard to make it a Vulcan but its altogether a larger vehicle and the radiator is more domed in shape... ![[Image: vulcan30cwt.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/vulcan30cwt.jpg) June 1924 J. Lyons Vulcan 30cwt van at the British Empire Exhibition. J. Lyons claimed, also in 1924, that their vans were visiting all towns and cities plus most villages in England, Scotland and Wales on regular weekly or fortnightly routes, so their fleet must have been one of the largest in the UK even then. |
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◊ 2016-02-04 23:33 |
Bearing in mind the preponderance of Fords, both private and commercial, in this era I would find it surprising if Joe Lyons had not bought some. They were reliable, cheap to buy and easy to drive if you hadn't driven a petrol driven vehicle before. My Uncle Sam had one for his village bakery in the 1920s. He said it meant he didn't have to catch the horse each morning. -- Last edit: 2016-02-06 17:25:07 |
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◊ 2016-02-05 18:18 |
http://www.kzwp.com/lyons/normand.htm |
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◊ 2016-02-06 11:54 |
Ford vans shown in advert found dated November 1922... Ford 'Tonners' for J. Lyon's - Normand Garage Ltd. ![[Image: im19221104mc-elm.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/im19221104mc-elm.jpg) The same wheels also as seen in the movie. http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/J._Lyons_and_Co -- Last edit: 2016-02-06 12:07:05 |
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◊ 2016-02-06 12:53 |
The reference to the Supaphord gearbox is interesting, I have never seen it referred to anywhere else but my copy of "Modern Motor Cars" which must have been published in about 1930, as it also describes the Model A. The Supaphord gave two additional gear ratios, one between the two provided by Ford, and an overdrive top. Ford low gear 20:1 Supaphord low 13.2:1 Ford high gear 7.2:1 Supaphord top 4.75:1 The additional gearbox was placed immediately behind the Ford unit on the One Ton trucks, and operated by a lever. It must have made the vehicles quite awkward to drive. The advert implies that about 50 sets of Supaphord gears were sold to Normand so the Lyons fleet must have contained at least that number of Fords, unless spares were included. All we need to look for now is a Ford TT with a Baico chassis conversion to make up the set. -- Last edit: 2016-02-06 13:03:08 |
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◊ 2016-02-06 13:21 |
Just been reading about the Baico chassis...  http://archive.commercialmotor.com/page/11th-october-1921/30 and the Supaphord gearbox (took me a little time to see the Phord/Ford connection). http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/19th-july-1921/27/ford-van-pointers -- Last edit: 2016-02-06 13:22:09 |
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◊ 2016-02-06 13:40 |
"Messrs. Lyons (who have tried practically everything in this type of thing) have now had from us nearly 400 sets (and still ordering)... Yours faithfully, ELM STREET ENGINEERING WORKS. London, W.C.1. As reported in 1926 Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com" -- Last edit: 2016-02-06 13:42:54 |
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◊ 2016-02-06 13:45 |
But then came the Model A.......... |
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