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1938 Standard Flying Twenty Touring Saloon [20BA]

1938 Standard Flying Twenty [20BA] in Father Brown, TV Series, 2013-2024 IMDB Ep. 8.05

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK

1938 Standard Flying Twenty Touring Saloon [20BA]

Position 00:32:28 [*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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Sunbar UK

2015-01-10 15:50

[Image: fbrownseries3ep50-29-32.jpg] [Image: fbrownseries3ep50-39-36.jpg]
Ep. 3.05 [*]

1938 Standard BMR 520

Date of first registration 02 July 1938
Year of manufacture 1938
Cylinder capacity (cc) 2638cc
Vehicle colour BLACK

-- Last edit: 2022-01-01 18:53:21

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-01-10 17:18

Flying Twenty 2663cc
Flying V-VIII 2868cc

Wider grille and design of bonnet louvres suggest V-VIII engine but not certain.

Sunbar UK

2015-01-10 19:34

Watched the episode again and the grilles in the side of the bonnet are as the "V-Eight" and definitely not the tapered style used on the "Twenty".

http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/page534.html

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http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/File:Im19361016A-Stand.jpg

http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/page557.html

-- Last edit: 2015-01-10 19:49:04

tore-40 NO

2015-01-10 21:51

I would think this has been asked before, but weren't these called 'Flying Standard', not 'Standard Flying'?

dsl SX

2015-01-10 23:27

The Flying bit is a sub-designation to make it 'Flying 20hp' and other 'Flying (numbers)'

tore-40 NO

2015-01-11 09:31

dsl wrote The Flying bit is a sub-designation to make it 'Flying 20hp' and other 'Flying (numbers)'

The were made by Standard Motor Company, so a sub-designation would be logical, but still in the brochures these pre-war Standards are referred to as Flying Standard with 'Flying' in front

We list them as Standard Flying :think:

Sunbar UK

2015-01-11 12:55

dsl wrote The Flying bit is a sub-designation to make it 'Flying 20hp' and other 'Flying (numbers)'


I agree completely, and would only say the "Flying" Standards at the time was a way of promoting the new streamlined models in adverts and brochures. Common usage today is to call them the Standard Flying Nine, Flying Twelve, Flying Fourteen etc. and its equally correct as 'Flying Standard'.

I can see no reason to change the way they are currently listed on IMCDb.

-- Last edit: 2015-01-11 12:55:43

Sunbar UK

2015-02-17 13:00

Also seen in episode 1.06

[Image: fbrownseries1ep-1060044251.jpg]
00:44:25 [*][*]

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-02-21 19:05

While the discussion rages about where the Flying fits, it should be V-VIII, for reason see-

https://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/profile/standard-flying-v8/

dsl SX

2015-02-21 20:03

Glass's says Flying V-Eight Twenty, Robson's "The Book of the Standard Motor Company" (local Oxfam bargain a couple of weeks back!) says Flying V-Eight, with internal code [20AV].

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-02-21 22:14

But the motif on the cars says V-VIII.

Sunbar UK

2015-02-22 13:15

I'm with dsl I think on this one, even the motorbase link describes it as the "Standard Flying V8"

Despite the comment, "Because V8 was a Ford trade mark this new big Standard 4 door saloon was known as the V-VII" it appears common usage to call it the Flying V8, even carrying over to Standard's advert. (I do like term V-VII as a quirky piece of history however.)

Sunbar UK

2016-01-14 13:20

Seen again in episode 4.08

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0:08:10 [*]

sps1955 EN

2016-07-18 22:45

The rear views of this car made me a bit suspicious of the identification of it as a V8, since I did not think that the V8 survived long enough to get the rear styling shown, as opposed to the beetle back and split rear window of the first Flying Standards. A little searching on the web brought up this page about BMR520: http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/page560.html . It appears to be a 6-cylinder 20 (albeit running with an MGB engine when that article was written!); it's an early example of the "booted" styling shown on the 1939 Standard page of the Classic Car Catalogue ( http://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/STANDARD%201939.html ) and continued in the post-war 12 and 14.

-- Last edit: 2016-07-18 22:46:03

Sunbar UK

2017-01-03 22:56

Also seen in episode 5.02

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00:37:47 [*][*][*] however it replaces this vehicle halfway through the scene in a car chase /vehicle.php?id=991417

Sunbar UK

2019-11-04 15:39

There is nothing to suggest the V-Eight was built other than as a fastback/beetle-back saloon (or a drop-head coupe version subcontracted to a separate body builder).

"The other two newcomers for 1938 were so-called ‘Touring’ versions of the Flying Fourteen and Twenty saloons. These ... were identifiable by their distinctive ‘notch back’ styling, incorporating a larger luggage boot than the previous ‘beetle back’ style Fourteen and Twenty models.

http://www.wheels-alive.co.uk/flying-standards-a-transformative-range/

Sunbar UK

2022-01-04 12:32

Seen again in episode 9.01

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00:31:54 [*][*]

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