1984 Daimler 4.2 [Series III]

1984 Daimler 4.2 [Series III] in Killing Bono, Movie, 2011 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK

1984 Daimler 4.2 [Series III]

Pos: 01:28:52 [*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene 

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dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-18 20:18

 I think Daimler grille, VDP thick side strip and V12 wheels, so 1979+ Daimler Double Six Vanden Plas. But someone from Englandshire with a gravelly voice might disagree .....

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-18 20:22

 As long as you're sure those wheels mean the V12 model.

What does the numberplate say, Coopey?

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dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-18 20:41

 Fairly confident about the wheels, but no definite source to quote; there was also a 1979+ 4.2 VDP S3, so I'm not going to die in a ditch for this one.

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-18 20:52

 :lol: Well, no offence but I think you were wrong about one or two of things, like saying only Daimlers have all-chrome window frames, when there's plently of internet photo evidence (even on this site) to disprove that. And what you said here /vehicle.php?id=357710 goes against what you've said before, eg. /vehicle_11555-Jaguar-XJ6-XJ40-1987.html I'm not trying to make you look stupid but maybe you've been misreading your Glass's guides. I'll admit I'm not a Jaguar expert, I'm just going from what I've picked up from looking on the internet.

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G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-18 20:55

 Coopey, it would help if you gave us some more views of this car if possible, like of the rear and wheels (when they're still)

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-18 21:07

 Here http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/134233 we have a Daimler Vanden Plas with what looks like those wheels (unless I'm wrong) which has the 4.2 litre 6 cylinder engine (checked numberplate on HPI check)

Sandie SX

◊ 2011-07-18 21:11

 You can change the wheels very easily.

The same may even apply to the car in the main image.

dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-18 21:15
G-MANN wrote And what you said here /vehicle.php?id=357710 goes against what you've said before, eg. /vehicle_11555-Jaguar-XJ6-XJ40-1987.html .

Really?? You're relying very heavily on being able to distinguish a matt black panel from a charcoal metallic on a non-UK car.
G-MANN wrote ... maybe you've been misreading your Glass's guides.

No. Analysed in detail, which is why it took over a week to produce the £$&*king chart. I never guaranteed its accuracy in action, and bear in mind we're trying to use the info in ways far beyond Glass's would have envisaged and without lots of other supporting evidence a Glass's user could use when examining a particular car on their garage forecourt. And Glass's only applies to UK spec cars. If you want to rubbish Glass's info for not being 100% solid when we use it, feel free, but if you're serious buy a few editions - usually cheap on ebay (see my comments halfway down /vehicle.php?id=197035 ) and get some experience of how they work, how to use them effectively and where gaps emerge. The Jags are problematic at some detail levels, but other makes (Rootes, Ford, BMC) where I've used them heavily seem pretty watertight.

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-18 21:32

 Alright, I'm sorry if I offended you. Probably shouldn't be pursuing this still but what about this: /vehicle_170013-Cadillac-Fleetwood-75-1974.html

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dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-18 21:45

 No offence taken and no apology needed. The real point is that none of our information sources will ever be totally bulletproof or give us every bit of information we need to prove some car identities, so it is sometimes too easy to focus on unproven even though the probability may be acceptable. In this case I flew a kite about the wheels to see if it worked, and the result was an alternative parallel outcome which I'd also flagged - no problem - engine unresolved. No-one's argued with Daimler or VDP (yet?).

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-18 21:47
dsl wrote No offence taken


Good, that's a relief ;)

The Vanden Plas extra-thick chrome strip thing, where did you read that? It's just I haven't been able to find any site that says that.

dsl wrote and the result was an alternative parallel outcome which I'd also flagged - no problem - engine unresolved.


Sorry, what do you mean here?

-- Last edit: 2011-07-18 21:50:17

dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-18 21:54
G-MANN wrote Probably shouldn't be pursuing this still but what about this: /vehicle_170013-Cadillac-Fleetwood-75-1974.html

OK - point taken. So early 87+ Jag Sovereign had black panel and full chrome window frames - may also apply to /vehicle.php?id=357710 after all - I guess you'll have to rely on the wheels/tints/side strip permutation to resolve Jag vs Daimler and date.

dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-18 22:00

 Thick strip is observation - our Daimler S3s have variously coachlines, thin strips and thick strips. VDP is top of the food chain. Engine unresolved means we do not know if this is 4.2 or V12 - both are possible in this case on the evidence so far.

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-18 23:02

 I've been looking at various photos (flickr is a good resource) of Series III Daimlers, I've found one example of a Daimler that doesn't have a chrome strip (from the TV series Minder): http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/5396074060/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/5407081599/ but many seem to have chrome strips and it's hard to tell which ones have thick strips and which have thin ones. They all look the same to me. This 1981 brochure seems to suggest that there were 2 trims for Daimlers, there was the Daimler Sovereign 4.2 & Daimler Double Six H.E. and the Vanden Plas 4.2 and Double Six Vanden Plas. Unfortunately it's pretty low-res. Although maybe the range kept changing. How long did they use Vanden Plas as a trim level?

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dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-19 00:48

 1] Coachline - /vehicle_122834-Daimler-Sovereign-Series-III-1980.html , /vehicle_318331-Daimler-Sovereign-Series-III-1980.html (see thumbs).
2] What I call thin strip - /vehicle_386503-Daimler-Sovereign-Series-III-1979.html , /vehicle_74673-Daimler-Series-III-1984.html , /vehicle_3938-Daimler-Sovereign-Series-III-1981.html (and probably most of our other Daimler S3s - just difficult to show clear examples).
3] What I call thick strip - for its depth and an apparent black line separating it into upper and lower halves - /vehicle_394868-Daimler-Double-Six-Series-III-1980.html , /vehicle_36779-Daimler-Double-Six-Series-III-1980.html (which may be a VDP - the right badge is intriguing).
4] VDP appeared as Double Six in Sept 72 (S1) - ordinary D6 started July 72. Carried straight through S2 into S3 until Oct 83 when dropped, leaving D6 HE until Sept 92. Sovereign 4.2 VDP started April 75 in S2 period, ran through into S3 until Oct 86 and XJ40 launch.

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G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-19 14:44

 This one (thin strip) /vehicle_386503-Daimler-Sovereign-Series-III-1979.html is listed as a Vanden Plas. Is this right?

dsl wrote http://imcdb.org/vehicle_36779-Daimler-Double-Six-Series-III-1980.html (which may be a VDP - the right badge is intriguing)


That says "Double Six" doesn't it? (I know the picture isn't good enough to see exactly what it says)

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dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-19 15:13

 1] /vehicle_386503-Daimler-Sovereign-Series-III-1979.html probably not VDP on current understanding - I didn't realise the strip permutations in those innocent days.
2] /vehicle_36779-Daimler-Double-Six-Series-III-1980.html - the idea that the badge says Van Den Plas is an open question - I'm not sure what the D6 and VDP badges actually look like, but can imagine either text within the blurred squiggles.

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-19 18:20

 Here's one (South Africa plate - Gauteng province) with badges saying 'Double Six' and 'Vanden Plas' on the back. Link to "www.flickr.com" Although maybe not all Vanden Plas had badges like this.

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dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-19 18:55

 It gets murkier and murkier the deeper you peer into the mud ..... useful to know about that double combination, but neither element is anything like the script in question.

Sandie SX

◊ 2011-07-19 18:58

 Maybe we should ask on the Jaguar forums for some guidance?

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-19 19:01

 I added some more observations and photo links here: /vehicle.php?id=394868

dsl wrote but neither element is anything like the script in question


It is a bit pixellated but my guess is it says 'Double Six'

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dsl SX

◊ 2011-07-19 19:33

 Noted in passing that your flickr photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/telkine/4236256113/in/photostream/ has yet another badge format. Perhaps VDP badging differed from 4.2 and D6 versions - maybe there was no prestige in advertising to the world that your 4.2 VDP was only a poverty engine, but if you had a D6 VDP you wanted everyone to know that 12mpg was no problem for your vast wealth.

I still think there is a thick strip with a painted groove as /vehicle_394868-Daimler-Double-Six-Series-III-1980.html , so your suggestion of thin strip + coachline and accompanying flickr examples (accepted) gives a 4th format. I may lose the will to live soon in pursuing this further as it seems to be moving further out of our reach and getting too complicated for our info base, but Sandie's forum suggestion is a good one.

G-MANN UK

◊ 2011-07-19 19:39
dsl wrote has yet another badge format.


Which badge? The 'Double Six' badge? How does it look different to others? (could be due to the angle)

G-MANN UK

◊ 2016-07-26 00:10

 [Image: killingbonodaimler.jpg]

The badge on the right side of the numberplate is surely 4.2 rather than Double Six.

http://car-from-uk.com/ebay/carphotos/full/ebay110861.jpg

-- Last edit: 2016-07-26 00:14:37

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