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◊ 2021-08-18 23:20 |
Arran, 1953. |
◊ 2021-08-19 09:04 |
Hillman, 1938. |
◊ 2021-08-19 09:09 |
The fuzzy picture is not helpful. Pretty certain it’s a Minx Carbodies drop head coupé, but whether it’s a 1938/9 New Minx, or a 1940-47 Phase 1 is hard to see. There appears to be a bonnet handle, indicating a longitudinally split bonnet, so, I’m saying Phase 1. |
◊ 2021-08-19 15:03 |
Sorry, brain fade…..1938 New Minx. Not Phase 1. |
◊ 2021-08-19 15:28 |
Nor a Magnificent, it’s the short lived 38/9 New Minx, look at the radiator grille. |
◊ 2021-08-19 17:33 |
We don't have any identified 1938-39 New Minxes - are we missing a trick?? If we have some unrecognised, where would they be lurking?? (I'm stuck without being able to check books eg Robson for info). |
◊ 2021-08-19 18:21 |
It’s in S&G, but could wait until you can look. With acknowledgment to Sedgwick and Gillies “A to Z of cars of the 1930s” Bay View Books. 1990. /vehicle_933769-Hillman-Minx-Magnificent-1938.html, this is incorrectly identified, I believe it is not a “Magnificent” but a 38/9 “New” Minx. -- Last edit: 2021-08-19 20:15:19 |
◊ 2021-08-19 22:40 |
Robson describes the 38/9 cars as “facelifted Minx Magnificent”. He further says it lasted until the introduction of the Phase 1 monocoque “in late 1939”. I wonder where S&G got the “New Minx” from? -- Last edit: 2021-08-19 22:42:35 |
◊ 2021-08-20 01:36 |
The 1938 Minx brochure proudly states "The New Minx" on the cover (or alternatively "Hillman Proudly Present The New Minx", but I guess the something similar would have happened most years so not a very solid hook to hang hats on. The 67 Arrow Minx was initially promoted as "The New Minx" at its launch - I can remember the brochure. |
◊ 2021-08-20 08:36 |
The word “Magnificent” appears to have been stricken from the hyperbole. Perhaps that might be a clue? |
◊ 2021-08-20 12:12 |
Agreed the facelift is no longer a Minx Magnificent, merely a new Minx. The 'New' part for 1938/9 was only a sales description for the car, which had a restyled radiator grille and full-width bumpers. |
◊ 2021-08-20 12:32 |
So we should drop the “Magnificent” from the title and just say “Hillman Minx Drophead Coupé by Carbodies”? |
◊ 2021-08-20 12:37 |
So what do we want to call these 38-39 batch? - just plain Minx would create a new nest of entries which I'm uneasy about doing - they'd get lost - New Minx doesn't seem justified, and again has the risk of creating a new nest where they'd disappear, this time showing separately from the sequence of Minx versions, so less obvious - Minx Magnificent may not be correct, but it's not demonstrably wrong, and keeps similar Minxes together, with the 38-39 date allowing clear identification. So I vote to stay as we are - it works in a way we're used to, and without really causing hiccups. |
◊ 2021-08-20 13:16 |
Well, they are different, as the brochure goes to great lengths to broadcast, but if it causes too much difficulty…. |
◊ 2021-08-20 13:32 |
I'm reluctant to keep the 'Magnificent' part of the name, however both the National Motor Museum and South Australia's Hillman Car Club retain it for the facelift models, so I guess its acceptable. |
◊ 2021-08-20 14:13 |
Fair enough. I’ll keep my powder dry for another day. |