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Unknown in Patrick Kielty's Tractor Wars: Ferguson vs Ford, Documentary, 2022
Class: Cars, Convertible
00:09:41 ![[*]](/res/star.png){kind=small}
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◊ 2022-10-27 23:55 |
OI 166 was Belfast, Jan 1904 until probably Jan 1921. Photo might be outside May Street Motors - Ferguson's Belfast garage and Vauxhall agency. Did very early Vauxhalls look like this?? |
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◊ 2022-10-28 08:32 |
Try Googling 1903 Vauxhall. Maybe they didn’t. Link to "en.wikipedia.org" https://www.vauxhallandkennington.org.uk/vauxhallcars.shtml -- Last edit: 2022-10-28 09:07:50 |
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◊ 2022-10-28 09:22 |
Grace’s Guide says May St Motors had agencies for Maxwell, Star, Darracq and Vauxhall. |
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◊ 2022-10-28 11:44 |
Of those four makes it could be a Darracq perhaps? Link to "en.wikipedia.org" |
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◊ 2022-10-28 12:02 |
Wheels? Otherwise the shapes seem to match, certainly isn’t a Maxwell, and the Star from those years seems chain drive. I don’t think it’s a Vauxhall either. |
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◊ 2022-10-28 12:24 |
The wheels could suggest an earlier date of about 1900 for a Darracq? However I'm not convinced its a Darracq and it could be another make entirely from its appearance. -- Last edit: 2022-10-28 12:25:18 |
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◊ 2022-10-28 12:30 |
Perhaps it’s just an old car they dredged up from somewhere with no connection to the business’s franchises. |
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◊ 2022-10-28 15:29 |
Apparent timeline: (truncated from here) 1902 Aged 18, Harry goes to Belfast to serve an apprenticeship in the motor business at his brother Joe's workshop on the Shankill Road. 1904 Harry competes in motorcycle events to obtain publicity for the Ferguson car and motor-cycle business. 1903-5 Attends classes at Belfast Technical College .... While working in brother Joe's workshop .... 1911 Harry forms his own business known as May Street Motors ... This picture comes up a few times in googling, but never with detailed caption - best I can find is this "Harry outside J.B. Ferguson" which has extra signwriting on building behind - top looks like "Ferguson & Co. Ltd", lower might be Cycle or Engine Manufacturers ... so looks pre-May Street Motors, and therefore not constrained to that selection of makes. |
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◊ 2022-10-29 13:10 |
![[Image: harry_jb_fergusonadj.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/harry_jb_fergusonadj.jpg) The lower sign on the building below "Ferguson & Co. Ltd", just might be "Furniture Manufacturers"? https://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=77858.0 The earliest reference in the link is that the furniture business was started in the J. B. Ferguson coachbuilding shop during the second world war, but it was possibly a lot earlier if the photograph shows a Ferguson furniture company at the time the car before 1910? edit: Looking again I now doubt it says "Ferguson & Co. Ltd" but probably another different name, somthing like 'Eastson & Co. Ltd.', so likely no connection to Ferguson I think. -- Last edit: 2022-10-29 13:20:08 |
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◊ 2022-10-29 15:33 |
Agree your reading of the signwriting, so nothing Ferguson as seen. Belfast forum link is interesting - reproduces a 1921 newspaper clipping which is difficult to read, but middle para in left column suggests J.B Ferguson in 1900s were sole distributors for RR in Ireland, plus Renault, Minerva, Armstrong-Siddeley, Hillman, Vulcan and Austin. |
