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ahight ◊ 2009-05-14 16:08
atom ◊ 2009-05-14 16:46	T W123?
Turbobanana ◊ 2009-05-14 17:01	atom wrote T W123? Definitely a W123 Transporter, badge on right looks like Diesel? Rare in USA, surely?
rjluna2 ◊ 2009-05-15 01:23	USA spec due to round headlights.
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-05-15 01:37	The European version had round headlights too.
rjluna2 ◊ 2009-05-15 01:52	But, this one looks like sealed beam...
Turbobanana ◊ 2009-05-15 11:40	carchasesfanatic wrote The European version had round headlights too. But fortunately not the massive bumpers.
HunterMan ◊ 2009-10-24 04:01	I was able to find online one time, a complete list of cars used by the Hart's on the show. It listed their tan Mercedes Station Wagon as a: Tan/Beige 1980 Mercedes Benz 300 TD Station Wagon. The TD stood for Turbo Diesel.
jlwm8609 ◊ 2010-02-08 06:45	HunterMan wrote I was able to find online one time, a complete list of cars used by the Hart's on the show. It listed their tan Mercedes Station Wagon as a: Tan/Beige 1980 Mercedes Benz 300 TD Station Wagon. The TD stood for Turbo Diesel. TD does not stand for Turbo Diesel. TD stands for Touring Diesel. Turbo Diesel 300TDs weren't available until the 1981 model year.
HunterMan ◊ 2012-09-03 21:48	jlwm8609 wrote TD does not stand for Turbo Diesel. TD stands for Touring Diesel. Turbo Diesel 300TDs weren't available until the 1981 model year. Perhaps TD did stand for Touring Diesel with the 1979 model...I was just going by what I had read. I'm not an expert on Mercedes Benz. Either way, in my opinion they were ugly! Why would you buy a Mercedes Station Wagon...and since the Harts never had kids why would they need a Station Wagon anyway? -- Last edit: 2012-09-03 21:49:20
Ingo ◊ 2012-09-03 21:50	jlwm8609 wrote TD does not stand for Turbo Diesel. TD stands for Touring Diesel.
HunterMan ◊ 2012-09-03 21:56	Going by your pic, ingo, was jlwm8609's statement wrong or something? -- Last edit: 2012-09-03 21:56:26
Ingo ◊ 2012-09-03 21:58	Of course. a) BMW names their Wagons "touring", not Mercedes Benz b) There were no relations to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrozzeria_Touring
HunterMan ◊ 2012-09-03 22:05	Gotcha! I learned something today. So, I'm assuming the TD for this Mercedes Wagon does stand for Turbo Diesel as originally thought. -- Last edit: 2012-09-03 22:10:37
andrepa ◊ 2012-09-03 22:26	300TD Diesel but not a 300TD Turbodiesel http://www.w123-turbodiesel.de/images/bildergalerie/showroom/w123-006.jpg if we could open the hood, of the above car, we would see: no Turbo engine at all! it is a simple 3,0 litre Diesel like it was in /8 with 77 HP instead of 125HP Turbodiesel had http://www.w123-turbodiesel.de/ the T doesn´t stand for Turbo, or Touring neither, although jlwm8609 is right! as Mercedes called its wagons not Touring but Transporter as it is a T-model estate or station wagon for e.g. there was a 240TD never had a Turbo according to Wikipedia there has been W123 300TD MY 1979–1980 OM617.912 77 hp (57 kW) @ 4000 300TD Turbo MY 1981–1985 OM617.952 125 hp (93 kW) @ 4350 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W123 BTW the engine was introduced in 1978 in S-Klasse only USA + Canada W116 300 SD -- Last edit: 2012-09-03 23:19:18
andrepa ◊ 2012-09-03 23:26	HunterMan wrote Perhaps TD did stand for Touring Diesel with the 1979 model...I was just going by what I had read. I'm not an expert on Mercedes Benz. Either way, in my opinion they were ugly! Why would you buy a Mercedes Station Wagon...and since the Harts never had kids why would they need a Station Wagon anyway? Hi HunterMan, without beeing expert neither, you are right, if you only could change the word Touring for Transporter, as the 1979 300TD Diesel above comes without a Turboengine, otherwise it should be a 300TD Turbodiesel introduced in 1981 giving an extra power of incredible 67% to Harts, pushing them into the soft cushions of its upholstery gently but nevertheless more intensive Link to "i.auto-bild.de" only chance to drive a Car with Turbodiesel engine in 1979 was a 300SD chassis W116 -- Last edit: 2012-09-03 23:35:26
andrepa ◊ 2012-09-03 23:40	BTW there is saying Cadillac is Mercedes amongst US cars or Volvo is Mercedes of Sweden etc. Mercedes argued T1 the Mercedes amongst the Transporters! Today sprinter is synonym for transporter -- Last edit: 2012-09-03 23:43:04
HunterMan ◊ 2012-09-04 00:01	andrepa wrote Hi HunterMan, without beeing expert neither, you are right, if you only could change the word Touring for Transporter, as the 1979 300TD Diesel above comes without a Turboengine, otherwise it should be a 300TD Turbodiesel introduced in 1981 giving an extra power of incredible 67% to Harts, pushing them into the soft cushions of its upholstery gently but nevertheless more intensive Link to "i.auto-bild.de" only chance to drive a Car with Turbodiesel engine in 1979 was a 300SD chassis W116 I didn't really know what the TD stood for...I'd only read somewhere once that it was "Turbo Diesel"--which it sounds as in 1981 on it did. However, perhaps it stands for Transporter Diesel for the 1980 models and older--which would include this 1979 model in "Hart to Hart". I never stated that the T stood for "Touring", that was jlwm8609. So...if I'm understanding this correctly, the Mercedes here is a 1979 Mercedes Benz 300TD Wagon (the TD standing for Transporter Diesel)?
tore-40 ◊ 2012-09-04 00:33	They were (market dependant?) badged TDT with turbo. It anyone is interested.
andrepa ◊ 2012-09-04 01:58	yeap! with the one in main pic is TD an not TDT -- Last edit: 2012-09-04 02:00:32
HunterMan ◊ 2012-09-04 07:07	By they way, forgot to mention earlier that originally the list of cars used in "Hart to Hart" I acquired once listed this Mercedes Wagon as a 1981 model...which would have made the TD stand for Turbo Diesel. However, if this Wagon is a 1979 model (which I do think it is as this "Benz-Wagon" appears during the first season) then the TD most likely does stand for Transporter Diesel, instead of Turbo.
tore-40 ◊ 2012-09-04 08:46	S123.190 is more accurate than W123?
andrepa ◊ 2012-09-05 01:58	what seems to came to short in discussion is: the W123.190 above has badges as follows 300TD Diesel a Turbo is a W123.193 must have badges 300TD Turbodiesel http://www.w123-turbodiesel.de/images/bildergalerie/showroom/w123-006.jpg in USA there has been Coupé 300CD Turbodiesel, too and w116 300SD as there is no other S Klasse Diesel it was omitted to badge it with Turbodiesel -- Last edit: 2012-09-05 02:10:18
mike962 ◊ 2015-04-04 17:20
night cub ◊ 2015-04-04 17:39	mike962 wrote This is a newer wagon, with the Turbodiesel badge, 1982+.
mike962 ◊ 2015-04-04 17:42	supposed to be same car , dunno if it should be listed separately or not
night cub ◊ 2015-04-04 17:46	We've listed them separately on other shows where the main character's car was updated.
1944 ◊ 2019-02-14 10:02

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1979 Mercedes-Benz 300 TD [W123]

1979 Mercedes-Benz 300 TD [W123] in Hart to Hart, TV Series, 1979-1984 Ep. 1.01

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