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night cub ◊ 2017-12-09 19:54	mike962 wrote not validated yet there is a late 60s red Dodge , tailights NOT a Charger so guess some Coronet
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 20:01	rear of it , Super Bee ? -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 20:02:51
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 20:29	has a vent behind the door /vehicle_1093382-Volvo.html
Skid ◊ 2017-12-09 20:38	1970 Super Bee.
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 20:39	^ what exactly was the purpose of Super Bee ? when at the same time they did the near identical Charger , very confusing -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 20:39:35
Buc84 ◊ 2017-12-09 20:53	mike962 wrote ^ what exactly was the purpose of Super Bee ? when at the same time they did the near identical Charger , very confusing Super Bee was kind of like Dodge's version of Plymouth's Road Runner
Skid ◊ 2017-12-09 21:06	Aye, the Super Bee was cheaper than a Charger in high-performance spec, but less agressively-styled, not as plush, and slightly different performance options, depending on the year. -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 21:08:14
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 21:07	^ so in essence poverty spec Charger ! -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 21:07:40
somename ◊ 2017-12-09 21:45	mike962 wrote ^ what exactly was the purpose of Super Bee ? when at the same time they did the near identical Charger , very confusing Oh no, no, the Charger was the personal luxury coupe and the Super Bee was the no frills quarter mile machine. They appealed to very different demographics.
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 21:52	where did the Cuda fit into this ? and the Challenger ? -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 21:54:01
somename ◊ 2017-12-09 21:54	^I'm not sure what you mean given the 'Cuda is a Plymouth.
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 22:13	I mean in the MOPAR range who were the Plymouth Cuda adressed too ? so as a consumer in 1970 I could chose between Super bee, Charger , Challenger and Hemi Cuda too in a Chrysler dealership , seems so compliated with Ford it's much easier with muscle cars , it was generally just the Mustang and you're done with it (and the poverty Failane/ Falcon / Torino) , and GM you only had the Camaro/ Firebird / Olds 442 / Buick but this were pretty much the same except some styling difference and the Corvette of course -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 22:19:35
cl82 ◊ 2017-12-09 22:24	Yes, but there was quite a price difference between the Olds/Buick-models and the more "budget" Pontiac/Chevy-offerings which were clearly adressed to a young and less affluent audience ( with the exception of the Corvette, of course). -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 23:31:34
CougarTim ◊ 2017-12-09 23:30	The way I understand it (speaking as someone born well after most of these cars were rust)... The Charger was more of a sledgehammer, the Challenger and its Barracuda twin were ostensibly more about handling - 'pony cars' aimed at the Mustang/Camaro/Firebird. If you were on a tighter budget or not as style-conscious you could get a performance Dart or Coronet/Super Bee, but then you got a car with the same styling as your aunt's grocery-getter or the local taxicabs. There were a wealth of options for the performance car buyer around 1970. If you couldn't find one to fit your tastes and budget, it wasn't the manufacturers' fault.
somename ◊ 2017-12-09 23:32	mike962 wrote so as a consumer in 1970 I could chose between Super bee, Charger , Challenger and Hemi Cuda too in a Chrysler dealership Oh no, you could never buy all four of those in the same dealership. First you must understand Dodge and Plymouth are different divisions. Different divisions means different dealerships. Each dealerships needs a full line of models that appeal to a wide variety of demographics and market niches. If it seems Dodge and Plymouth were both selling the exact same car that was intentional because the dealerships (interdependently operated from the manufacturer) are competing against each other. As I said the Charger was the personal luxury coupe and the Super Bee was the no frills quarter mile machine, the price of a no-options Charger was actually less then the Super Bee. The Challenger was introduced to amortize cost of the E-body and compete against the Mustang. mike962 wrote with Ford it's much easier with muscle cars , it was generally just the Mustang and you're done with it (and the poverty Failane/ Falcon / Torino) Oh no, that is not true at all. The Mustang isn't really a muscle car. It's a pony car; a compact personal luxury coupe that with the right equipment could just as easily be turned into an econo-bucket as it can a tire shredder. Ford did offer real tire burning quarter mile machines. But whereas Mopar made separate models to promote, Ford preferred more subtle and obscure options and trim packages. Such as the 69 Torino Cobra GT, technically an option package on top of an option package on top of a trim level, but it will run circles around any Mopar that doesn't have a Hemi. The difference being that if one walked into a Plymouth dealership in 69 the sales man had half a dozen Road Runners on the lot he had to move, whereas if they walked into a Ford dealership the customer really had to know what to special order. mike962 wrote and GM you only had the Camaro/ Firebird / Olds 442 / Buick but this were pretty much the same except some styling difference and the Corvette of cours seems so compliated e Wow I'm not really sure where to begin, I hope this clears things up for you; in 1970 Chevrolet and Dodge had these models that competed directly against each other. Pony cars: Chevrolet Camaro, Dodge Challenger No frills muscle: Chevrolet Chevelle SS, Dodge Super Bee More comfortable muscle: Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu SS, Dodge Coronet R/T Mid-size Personal Luxury Coupes: Chevrolet Monte Carlo, Dodge Charger Mid-size Personal Luxury Coupe Muscle Cars: Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS, Dodge Charger R/T So you see there wasn't anything that Dodge offered that Chevrolet didn't, and that ignores the models from the other divisions that competed in those same segments. Dodge just took a much more aggressive marketing push.
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 23:47	thanks for clearing it up where does the Dodge Demon fit into this ? something even less expensive than the Super Bee ? -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 23:50:47
night cub ◊ 2017-12-09 23:50	Demons are smaller, US-Compact vs US-Intermediate size. Based on the Dart, like the Challenger -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 23:51:50
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-09 23:56	and the Mercury Cyclone ? looks quite big , a Torino couterpart ? -- Last edit: 2017-12-09 23:57:53
Gamer ◊ 2017-12-09 23:58	Never even heard of that Mercury!
night cub ◊ 2017-12-10 00:00	Yes, sister of the Torino GT models, would compete against the Coronet R/T
mike962 ◊ 2017-12-10 00:02	must have been absolutely wonderful to he in your 20s / 30s back then with some money (and not being drafted) , so many muscle cars to choose from and have real fun
the sad biker ◊ 2017-12-10 00:09	This is why I'll never understand American car model/range structures? Put a bigger engine in - it changes the name of the car, add some chrome trim & a fag lighter - it changes the name of the car, how do you keep up? -- Last edit: 2017-12-10 00:10:34
Baube ◊ 2017-12-10 00:12	i know, i call it the " Change one piece give new name " policy..
CougarTim ◊ 2017-12-10 00:26	Like England - the country that gave us the Rootes group - was any better.
dsl ◊ 2017-12-10 00:36	The irony is that US-owned UK firms banished diversity - Ford and Vauxhall always followed strict single lines, and when Chrysler took over Rootes they soon reduced everything down to single hierarchies.
Skid ◊ 2017-12-10 01:02	the sad biker wrote Put a bigger engine in....add some chrome trim & a fag lighter - it changes the name of the car Generally the way that worked is that it would start off as a trim level, then if it got popular enough, it would become its own model. Like the Pontiac Tempest could be ordered as a base Tempest, or a fancier Tempest LeMans or a high-performance Tempest LeMans GTO, then all three become separate models that used the same body.
Buc84 ◊ 2017-12-10 23:18	mike962 wrote must have been absolutely wonderful to he in your 20s / 30s back then with some money (and not being drafted) , so many muscle cars to choose from and have real fun These were very popular with G.I.'s. And a lot of G.I.'s bought these back then,or bought one thru the P.X./B.X outlets at some bases/posts(Like Chrysler Military Sales,etc?) when they got orders for Germany,too!!! ("I can drive it really fast on the Autobahn!!!") -- Last edit: 2017-12-10 23:21:20
shadow27 ◊ 2018-02-06 07:07	THE 1970 Superbee in this movie indeed still exists. It is in my garage as I write this. It still wears its original paint. I changed the hood callout emblems. The car was in California until 1994 then lived in North Carolina until I bought it a couple years ago. I took this pic this evening. I was not familiar with the movie until after I bought the car and the previous owner shared the cars history!
shadow27 ◊ 2018-02-06 07:13	One more pic. Enjoy’
Baube ◊ 2018-02-06 07:24	sure enjoying, its a beautiful car
mike962 ◊ 2018-02-06 07:25	too bad it had such a small role, just one scene really otherwise value may really increased for it BTW if want to see more of this classic movies with lots of muscle car action let me know, I ca make a list for you -- Last edit: 2018-02-06 07:27:00
shadow27 ◊ 2018-02-06 15:41	Thanks! I have a DVD copy I set on the dash at the local car shows. I always say the car has about 2 minutes of fame. Its still really fun though! I love the fact that it still exists! I imagine the majority of the cars you see on film are nothing but a memory. Had to share with everyone! Yes, love the old cars movies, if you have time to make a likes Mike, that would be great!
Gamer ◊ 2018-02-06 15:47	mike962 wrote where did the Cuda fit into this ? and the Challenger ? Don't forget that there was a Barracuda and a 'Cuda. The 'Cuda was meant to make smoke behind the starting line, while the Barracuda was a boulevard cruiser.
mike962 ◊ 2018-02-06 19:55	shadow27 wrote Yes, love the old cars movies, if you have time to make a likes Mike, that would be great! here muscle car porn at its finest , think some of them you already know - Hi-Riders , 1978 , great low budget muscle car movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdRCM1iJak - Vanishing Point 1971, the crappy remake of 97 with Viggo Morterson might be also watchable as it has some classic mopar action too - Dirty Mary Crazy Larry 1974, Peter Fonda , another part of the great 68-69 Dodge Charger genocide - Gone in 60 Seconds 1974 plus The Junkman - Eat My Dust , Ron Howard - Grand Theft Auto , 1977 - The Driver 1978 , 2 car chases but VERY well done and they are longer - Two-Lane Blacktop (1971) , lots of nice cars but IMO this movie was boring - The Blues Brothers - Smokey and the Bandit - Hooper , another Burt Reynalds gig and strangely again in a Trans Am... - Cannonball a.k.a. Carquake , the david Carrodinne flick - Thunder and Lightning , starring a 57 Bel Air - Catch me if you Can 1989 , another nice low budget with lots of muscle car action - The last american hero not really muscle car centered but worthy of mention - The Kalifornia Kid - The Wraith (1986) - Gumball Rally 1976 - Heart like a wheel - Deathrace 2000 (with Stallone and Carrodine) - Christine (1983) - The CAR (1977 ) if you thought Christine was "bad" The CAR is outright evil Truck based movies - DUEL - Black Dog (1997 Patrick Swayze) - Convoy 1978 - White Line Fewer - Thunder Run , low budget at its finest , the only time in film history when a rig does a jump complete with trailer -- Last edit: 2018-02-06 20:15:06
shadow27 ◊ 2018-02-06 20:34	thanks for sharing the movie list! Something fun to do before spring comes!
mike962 ◊ 2018-02-06 21:50	my pleasure , if you see some of them let us know what you think of them , what I love on this movies no stupid CGI or MTV editing, you can actually see properly whats going on some movies which did have some great car chases but aren't really car themed - To live and Die in LA - The Seven Ups - Bulitt - The French Connection - blazing magnum - Greased Lightning -- Last edit: 2018-02-08 13:34:29
lightninboy ◊ 2018-02-07 04:32	Moving Violation High-Ballin' White Lightning A Small Town in Texas
lightninboy ◊ 2018-02-08 23:33	If you like Mopar cop cars, The Sugarland Express.
Joemart ◊ 2018-10-12 04:47	Shadow27 great Mopar you have there would you consider selling your bee ? I'm a serious buyer looking for a super bee
Joemart ◊ 2018-10-12 04:49	shadow27 wrote One more pic. Enjoy’ Shadow27 great Mopar you have there would you consider selling your bee ? I'm a serious buyer looking for a super bee
Chelsea3 ◊ 2021-02-01 09:58	Shadow27 old as this is, I cannot let this go. The 1970 Dodge Orange Super Bee used in the 1981 movie "King of the Mountain" with Timothy Bottoms, Dennis Hopper and Harry Hamlin when they were outside of the jail was my husband's car and his name is Robert Stagg. He recently passed away in 2018 and I decided to go through and see if there were any mention of his car in this movie. If there was another 1970 orange Dodge Super Bee in this movie I would be surprised. This was his first attempt of restoration so it was not correct. He put it together in Phoenix in 1979, moved to California in 1980 and in Newhall was a yard full of MASH vehicles and they were supplying Chargers for the Dukes of Hazard and Robert met the owners of the yard and they told him a car was needed for this movie. He got paid $100.00 and his brother as well was in the movie when they were outside the jail, he played a guy in cuffs the police were bringing into the jail. Robert had to drive the car in the scene because at the time Harry Hamlin could not drive a stick. The Super Bee had the original orange paint and had a 383 or a 440 in it. It was later sold to a friend who was a pilot for a freight company who later sold it. If the front passenger seat has not been touched, if you reach your right hand down the side by the door, you will feel fingernail imprints of mine because Robert scared the shit out of ne going down Sierra Hy at 120 mph. You are taking credit for a car that was not yours. Also Robert had a 440 red 1971 Cuda in the movie "Gone in 60 Seconds" with Nik Cage it played the HEMI CUDA'

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