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Died Wretched, Movie, 1998 IMDB

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carmaker1 EN

2018-07-09 13:16

I've added all that I can, especially with challenging quality in some parts.

carmaker1 EN

2018-07-09 23:27

Some of the cars removed from here from my original submission are understandable in being too blurry, but a few others are inexcusable and I hope are just an error, not a deliberate removal out of negative bias. I am only trying to target a new genre on this site, which no one else has bothered with for obvious reasons. Hollywood and Pinewood are not the only industries of course. Being an older production in its infancy 20+ years ago, much of this content (and other targeted content) is (are) not going to be HD perfect (back in the midst of a crashing market/currency).

A Volvo I previously added here, was obviously identifiable as such, yet removed. As was an XV10 Camry, which although blurry (speeding by in shot), the silhouette is very identifiable. Ditto for the gold LR Defender 110 pickup at an airport.

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These were somewhat visible.

This Defender 110 pickup...well somewhat, but iconic enough to never be mistaken for anything else...well at least to me. (90 owner and Defender fanatic)

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Gamer DE

2018-07-09 23:42

It's the visibility that counts, not whether the vehicles are instantly recognizable.

For very small but rare cars, however, we can also make exceptions.

Sandie SX

2018-07-09 23:49

I deleted them. It's not about whether vehicles are identifiable, it's about how noticable they are to viewers of the movie. Please see the guidelines here to explain why : /help.php

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rtsbusman1997 US

2018-07-11 10:42

I didn't know that Nigeria had so many US spec and US like-spec vehicles. Wonder if that's still the case.

Ingo DE

2018-07-11 10:58

rtsbusman1997 wrote I didn't know that Nigeria had so many US spec and US like-spec vehicles. Wonder if that's still the case.

If not locally assembled, the most vehicles there will be used imports.
No idea, how big this business is in the USA,but here in Europe it's very large. From here even millions of used cars are shipped to Africa, Near and Middle East Asia.

I'm living near an Autobahn crossing whole Middle Europe, and I see trucks loaded with used cars for Africa every time.
And trucks loaded with newer cars, mainly accident cars, going in the other direction, to Russia and Belarus. Due tax reasons these cars are brought to the Baltic states and from there to Russia.

For that reason you find nearly none four-door Mercedes, Peugeot and Japanese cars on German scrapyards.

Very interesting were the US-spec cars, I've spotted in Northkorea :wow:
They came definitely from the US -even some dealer stickers existed-, but I didn't get an answers on my question, which way they took.

rtsbusman1997 US

2018-07-13 02:48

Used cars don't usually get exported en masse here in the states because the used car market is so large most vehicles usually will live their whole life in the country, or in rare occasions the same area. Although for some reason new and used US and US-spec vehicles always show up in the strangest places.

carmaker1 EN

2018-07-15 19:29

ingo wrote
If not locally assembled, the most vehicles there will be used imports.
No idea, how big this business is in the USA,but here in Europe it's very large. From here even millions of used cars are shipped to Africa, Near and Middle East Asia.

I'm living near an Autobahn crossing whole Middle Europe, and I see trucks loaded with used cars for Africa every time.
And trucks loaded with newer cars, mainly accident cars, going in the other direction, to Russia and Belarus. Due tax reasons these cars are brought to the Baltic states and from there to Russia.

For that reason you find nearly none four-door Mercedes, Peugeot and Japanese cars on German scrapyards.

Very interesting were the US-spec cars, I've spotted in Northkorea :wow:
They came definitely from the US -even some dealer stickers existed-, but I didn't get an answers on my question, which way they took.


North Korea??? I wonder how they are allowed to do that, considering the political situation for decades? Interesting. (also that you live near such an Autobahn crossing.)

For Nigeria, Germany has been the primary European source for imports, often called "tokunbo". UK would've been primary choice, if not for RHD. France maybe second, but not so much for French cars, since Peugeot always had a strong localized presence there, which makes importing one redundant. Only worthwhile for maybe Renault or Citroen. Japanese cars get imported, South Korean are often purchased locally or imported from USA. However in the present day, Nigeria has official distributors and dealers for nearly every brand, all the way up to Rolls-Royce (only 2 other RR dealers in Africa next to Sandton, Jo'burg South Africa).

Nigeria was unusually the only country in Africa that officially sold and marketed the Ford F-Series, plus one of the few countries alongside Mexico that also sold both the F-Series and Ranger pickup in the same showroom (Ranger assembled locally). They are trying to localize production and raise tariffs on imported vehicles as of late to the .

The UAE, Germany, France, and the USA are probably the highest sources of used imports. UAE more so regarding LHD Japanese luxury vehicles (Lexus). A good amount of the vehicles I spotted in this film, I can easily pick out which ones were purchased brand new locally and those that were imported used or "new" (some new cars are bought elsewhere and manage to circumvent exportation laws, arriving unused.)

U.S.-Spec cars are so unique in some respects, that it is very obvious (upon first sight) that they are imported (since European and "Nigerian-spec" vehicles appear similar). As for some "V-boots" or W123s, it can be either or. Either sold new by a local MB distributor in Lagos or imported most likely from Hamburg(?) or even North America.

Oddly enough this film was shot during one of the worst eras ever (Nigerian Naira currency decimation against Deutsche Mark and Pound Sterling), which is probably why I am so interested in studying the effects it had on the population's vehicle choice. Newer cars became less affordable (1-1 currency exchange becomes 75-1), unless earning income in pounds, marks, or dollars. Buying a newish/new W123 and W124 was much easier to do 30+ years ago there, compared to 20 years ago.

The annoying thing about these films is that they can be unrealistic at times in the sense, they portray "affluence" in a watered-down sense to keep things on a low budget. Where some old car is passed off as the "new" car of a "billionaire". In "reel" life, they'll pass off a 7-year old ML 350 as "rich". Where as in "real" life a GLS63 AMG or G65 AMG would be the real vehicle of choice for a "billionaire", ordered at the main distributor in Lagos and purchased brand new (not a smaller, local MB retailer) at an inflated price, probably even armoured just for kicks and multiple copies of them as part of some routine convoy. Suspending disbelief...

Actually saves people money to buy from another country brand new (USA mostly) and ship back, versus pay the primary distributor for the country or a local major metro dealer at a hiked up price ($35,000 for a new Toyota Camry in USA versus $50,000 for Nigerian-spec Camry at local dealership), sometimes with less features compared other markets. German OEMs are probably the best with offering the same level of optional equipment in global markets, compared to Asian OEMs who reduce options and customization.

carmaker1 EN

2018-07-15 19:41

rtsbusman1997 wrote Used cars don't usually get exported en masse here in the states because the used car market is so large most vehicles usually will live their whole life in the country, or in rare occasions the same area. Although for some reason new and used US and US-spec vehicles always show up in the strangest places.


Well they only show up in "strange" places, because the sheer volume and purchasing power of Americans (disposable income), allows for the cars to be sold at a lower price (without VAT included) than other markets worldwide. Hence, it is easier to buy a used Toyota Camry LE for $15,000 than pay the local equivalent in the receiving country, of around $25,000. I export cars from the US to Africa and Europe, when on the East Coast or in Houston area. Certain Toyota models are USDM or North American sales only, so they won't be available at local dealerships in LHD African countries (Toyota Venza, 4Runner) or in Europe. Plenty of Kenyans, Rwandans, and etc import RHD from JDM and the UK, so on the UK end of things, I have on occasion helped with that as well to select countries.

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