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1978 Porsche 928

1978 Porsche 928 in AC/DC: Walk All Over You, Music Video, 1979

Class: Cars, Coupé — Model origin: — Made for:

1978 Porsche 928

00:32:13 Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time

Comments about this vehicle

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eLMeR ◊ 2015-06-06 23:16	The arrival of the "beast": (00:29:53 // 00:29:55 // 00:30:00) The driver (Phil Rudd, the drummer), the race with the plane and the end of the 1st part (00:30:08 // 00:30:38 // 00:32:22) (Part 2 shows a ride in the country seen from the inside of the car, with the camera focusing on Rudd) Part 3: with Bon Scott, the singer (and still Rudd as driver) (00:33:27 // 00:33:32) The 928 was unveiled with the 1978 model year, and apparently saw no body change until 1980 in Europe, when spoilers appeared (but only for some models). This car has French plates from the Hauts-de-Seine department (number 92), for which 1979 plate numbers are 2196 HC 92 to 253 HX 92. 39 HL 92 place this registration number more or less in the middle of the year, giving the car a late 1979 or early 1980 MY... if it is its very first registration. But it also means that this car can't be newer. -- Last edit: 2015-06-06 23:18:53
rjluna2 ◊ 2015-06-06 23:18	Made for France due to these selective yellow headlights.
eLMeR ◊ 2015-06-06 23:21	Can what is nothing more than a change of light bulbs be seen as a "Made for..."?
rjluna2 ◊ 2015-06-06 23:25	Does France use rear fog light as well?
dsl ◊ 2015-06-06 23:31	The 1980+ spoilers were only for the 928 S; there was no real 1979 my for the poverty 928 (no changes listed) nor in 1980 (only listed changes are rear wiper and headlamp cleaning system becoming optional rather than previously standard). This has rear wiper, plus usual early telephone dial wheels and psychedelic seat pattern so mid-79 seems perfect fit.
dsl ◊ 2015-06-06 23:32	eLMeR wrote Can what is nothing more than a change of light bulbs be seen as a "Made for..."? Yes - according to imcdb custom.
eLMeR ◊ 2015-06-06 23:38	dsl wrote Yes - according to imcdb custom. As it was most certainly made in the dealers' shop, the accurate mention should be Modified in France, then rjluna2 wrote Does France use rear fog light as well? I just don't know how to understand it. Is it a joke, or do you really mean (and think) there is no "technical" items on cars sold in France? -- Last edit: 2015-06-07 00:02:27
dsl ◊ 2015-06-07 00:19	eLMeR wrote As it was most certainly made in the dealers' shop .. Maybe, maybe not. But we also do the same for white front indicators for made-for-I, sidemarkers in eg DK (as well as the US/CDN fitments), funny reflectors for eg ZA, Israel etc. You could argue these are all plausible dealer/distributor modifications, but I'd regard them as usually factory fit. Fairly sure if we look hard enough we could find factory footage of stuff coming off assembly lines with these curiosities in place.
eLMeR ◊ 2015-06-07 01:15	When mentioning the French headlights with their specific color, we're not talking about withdrawal or addition of elements, but just about a simple bulb change... It's sometimes hard for me to understand some habits of the IMCDb. I'm sure the IMCDb is full of non-French vehicle seen in French movies and TV-Series but not having this "Made for France" complement just because the headlamps are not on. But given the habit, all 1936-93 non-French vehicles sold in France and seen in the IMCDb should have it Anyway, and for the record, rear wipers were apparently used from 1978 onwards, at least on the US models: (1978 factory photo // 1978 brochure excerpt - Click...) Could it have been the same in Europe? If so, back to 1978+ model year -- Last edit: 2015-06-07 01:28:07
dsl ◊ 2015-06-07 01:33	Yes rear wiper standard from the start until 1980my when made optional. But then made standard again for 1981 mys and later. So if a 928 has no rear wiper, it's 1980my only. If it has a wiper, it has to be dated by other evidence. But why drag this back to 78my when we don't need to?? Mid-79 plate date looks reliable, so let's use it.
eLMeR ◊ 2015-06-07 01:41	The plate number can't be used as a formal clue: due to the French system from 1950 to mid 2009, it just gives the last registration. It could be the first here, but nothing indicates that it's not a second one that occurred after a move, or after the car was bought by someone living in another department than the one where the 1st registration number was given (i.e. a kind of move too, but only for the car )... -- Last edit: 2015-06-07 01:49:46
rjluna2 ◊ 2015-06-07 03:08	dsl wrote Maybe, maybe not. But we also do the same for white front indicators for made-for-I, sidemarkers in eg DK (as well as the US/CDN fitments), funny reflectors for eg ZA, Israel etc. You could argue these are all plausible dealer/distributor modifications, but I'd regard them as usually factory fit. Fairly sure if we look hard enough we could find factory footage of stuff coming off assembly lines with these curiosities in place. It is really interesting to see small curiosities to fit into the local regulation/custom for me Now, it is getting harder and harder for me to put up the challenge to find these curiosities into this database. -- Last edit: 2015-06-07 03:12:41
dsl ◊ 2015-06-07 18:19	eLMeR wrote The plate number can't be used as a formal clue ... Most countries plate systems have similar levels of quirks/idiosyncracies/loopholes/typos/errors - F is not alone. Even when you get good plate info retrieval systems (eg UK's DVLA) the info still needs considered application, not blind faith in its accuracy. But - despite all the trapdoors - it's still the most precise means we have for specific IDs. Without trying to restart another over-played discussion here (which is not a particularly significant case either way), from the point of view of precision, model years are blunter devices for our use.
eLMeR ◊ 2015-06-08 01:45	I'm sorry, dsl, this plate number, as part of the 1950-2009 French system, just gives the last registration. It can't be used to give this car a 1979 model year (or registration year), we must use another and more solid clue. If any... This car was first registered sometime between mid 1977 (then sold as a 1978 model year in France at that time) and mid-1979. If I'm not mistaken, there is no detail to say more from what we can see. _____ I'm not a huge fan of the model year idea either, but we have nothing else to work with, sometimes ) -- Last edit: 2015-06-08 02:01:03
dsl ◊ 2015-06-08 03:07	I'm not really fussed whether this 928 gets a 78 or 79 date because it makes little if any difference here, and it's your entry so your final choice. But I'm still confused by your logic eLMeR wrote This car has French plates from the Hauts-de-Seine department (number 92), for which 1979 plate numbers are 2196 HC 92 to 253 HX 92. 39 HL 92 place this registration number more or less in the middle of the year ........ - if we have a mid-79 plate and no visual reason to doubt the car was made in 79, why not run with it - even if the plate date definitions used in F have small generic loopholes?? If I've understood your thinking correctly, its logical extension means abandoning plate dates and just entering every car variant by its first appearance in that form. Which probably means I haven't understood your argument properly ... maybe I just need to make myself a nice cup of eLMeR wrote hot water and derivatives
eLMeR ◊ 2015-06-08 04:58	I mean indeed that for vehicles sold in France from 1950 to 2009, plate numbers shouldn't be used as a clue for identification, or only to indicate the youngest a car can be. But even this use is dubious : by using the FNI (Fichier National des Immatriculations, "National Car Registration Record", i.e. the old French registration system) to identify my previous car, a Renault Supercinq with xxx BSE 31 as (last) plate number, one would have get a 2006 registration year. In fact, it had had previous registrations in at least 2 other departments since 1990 I'm aware it's just a scenario among others, but this 928, for example, could have been "registered" by the dealer in late December 1978 with a WW plate number, and then sold in January '79 to someone living in Paris, which would have given it a 75 plate number and a January 1979 official (but wrong) 1st registration. For any reason, the owner could then have sold it some months later to someone living in the Hauts-de-Seine department, and here you have your mid-1979 92 plate number. I think you'll agree with me to say that this couldn't be seen as the accurate year of the car. In a nutshell: we can't rely here on the plate number to give this Porsche a 1979 1st registration year / production year / model year. -- Last edit: 2015-06-08 05:02:02
antp ◊ 2015-06-08 19:36	eLMeR wrote Can what is nothing more than a change of light bulbs be seen as a "Made for..."? It does not seem very useful, I know, but as we often got questions about the yellow headlights we included these as the info acceptable for the "made for" tag. As one of the reason of that tag is to explain why the car looks different than the original model. Though that for French cars, it is all the non-yellow ones that should then have a "made for something"...

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