1994 Ford Econoline Ambulanse 7.3 D VBK Rescueline 200 [E-350]

1994 Ford Econoline Ambulanse [E-350] in Hodejegerne, Movie, 2011

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1994 Ford Econoline Ambulanse 7.3 D VBK Rescueline 200 [E-350]

Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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Lateef ◊ 2011-11-23 19:50	1992+ Econoline. EU-spec taillights. Probably local-bodied. -- Last edit: 2011-11-23 19:51:05
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-11-24 10:28	why does this one have the made for EU tag?
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-11-24 18:51	Because these were SOLD in the EU. But in particular, this should be made for Norway since this is a coachbuilt Norwegian Ambulance. -- Last edit: 2011-11-24 18:51:43
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-24 18:54	And Norway is not in the EU.
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-11-24 19:03	Being SOLD in the EU does not justify the made for tag, I don't get why you don't understand that. There is no way to tell from this shot if this is a Norwegian body on this ambulance or not from this shot. The Made for tag is only used in cases of a different name from the home market or if there are visual equipment differences, not to include the orientation of the steering wheel.
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-24 19:14	Annother question about the "made for EU"-classification of US-made cars is, how to define "made for" Are only factory-made conversions acceptable or those, too, which were made later on, by the importer, the dealer or the private following owner, to get the local registration? In many European countries there were/are no or nearly no US-cars in the official range-lists of the brands like Ford, GM, Chrysler. For some brands, also brands from the "Big Three" there aren't existing even official importers (for example Cadillac). If you as an European order a car directly in the USA or Canada (which is possible, either via an official brand-dealer, a free importer or just by our private own), you wont get a "made for ..."-version, just one regular America-version. When the car arrived and you want to get registration, it's up to yourself to convert the car, that it passed the EU- or country-spec precepts -- Last edit: 2011-11-24 19:15:06
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-24 19:32	@m.pfaffeneder: The /vehicle.php?id=451204 of your boss, was it originally made as export-version?
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-11-24 19:43	tonkatracker wrote Being SOLD in the EU does not justify the made for tag, I don't get why you don't understand that. There is no way to tell from this shot if this is a Norwegian body on this ambulance or not from this shot. The Made for tag is only used in cases of a different name from the home market or if there are visual equipment differences, not to include the orientation of the steering wheel. Logically, if a car is sold brand new in that place, it is made for that place. How can a van sold in Norway firsthand be just "Model Origin USA"? Also, you can tell this is a Norwegian bodied ambulance by the lights on the roof. Ford-made Norwegian ambulances have 2-piece lights jutting out of a slightly raised roof with a rear light setup (depending on the year, some are different). ingo wrote Annother question about the "made for EU"-classification of US-made cars is, how to define "made for" Are only factory-made conversions acceptable or those, too, which were made later on, by the importer, the dealer or the private following owner, to get the local registration? If a car is made for a certain place and only for that place, specially ordered or not, it logically is made for that place. You can't say that a car that was a specialized order is just a US car. Not logical. ingo wrote n many European countries there were/are no or nearly no US-cars in the official range-lists of the brands like Ford, GM, Chrysler. For some brands, also brands from the "Big Three" there aren't existing even official importers (for example Cadillac). If you as an European order a car directly in the USA or Canada (which is possible, either via an official brand-dealer, a free importer or just by our private own), you wont get a "made for ..."-version, just one regular America-version. When the car arrived and you want to get registration, it's up to yourself to convert the car, that it passed the EU- or country-spec precepts Cases like this can be tricky. If a car is not sold in a country on the showroom floor BUT is made for a customer(s) in that country, a "Made for" tag makes a lot more sense than just a plain model origin. Private imports of a after sale car is not made for that country due to the fact that it is a aftermarket sale.
Lateef ◊ 2011-11-24 20:00	This is what one looks like: Link to "www.modell-utrykning.com" Although the repeater is not visible in this pic, ALL of these ambulances have them in place, there are almost no exceptions. They were built here, but I do not remember by whom. Hey, it can be listed as made for Norway due to its name: Ambulanse. I'm for listing this as made for Norway/EU, but since it appears like everyone else are against it, it doesn't matter to me
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-24 20:03	rtsbusman1997 wrote Cases like this can be tricky. If a car is not sold in a country on the showroom floor BUT is made for a customer(s) in that country, a "Made for" tag makes a lot more sense than just a plain model origin. Private imports of a after sale car is not made for that country due to the fact that it is a aftermarket sale. Mmmhh, I cannot agree. So the address of the purchaser is the criterion? Maybe not in American, but in European eyes, this is unlogical and misleading. Because over here it's very common (due local tax reasons) to order a new car as an "EU-re-import". Mostly dealers are ordering the car in annother country, but you can make it by your own, too. These cars were produced for the specific country (but nowadays except the official papers, the instruction manual in a different language is the only difference), but never brought there in traffic. In this really not uncommon situation over here, your logic doesn't fit If we want to be really exact and hyper-correct, IMO we have to follow only one criterion - the company-internal classification. Here as an example old Volkswagen-systematics: But: how to find it out? For that you need the original selling contract, better the factory-papers. Not very practicable here, eeh? -- Last edit: 2011-11-24 20:05:04
Sandie ◊ 2011-11-24 20:10	I agree with Ingo. Up until about ten years ago that was pretty common in the UK. Often the cars would even be RHD but were purchased in another European state. It was not unusual to see RHD Opel badged cars for that reason.
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-24 20:23	Not to forget, that Mercedes Benz and Volkswagen were punished by the EU-court, because their prohibitions for authorized dealers, to order cars for customers from other EU-countries is against the EU-rules. One of the finally successful prosecutors was an Italian Mercedes-dealer, who was kicked out by Daimler-Benz, because he had sold new cars to German and Austrian customers. Annother prosecutor was Danish VW/Audi-dealer, who was treatened in the same way by the Volkswagen AG and IIRC, a British citizen, who wasn't allowed to order a RHD UK-spec Mercedes at an authorized dealer in Belgium.
dsl ◊ 2011-11-24 20:52	I think I agree with ingo too, but I sometimes think we're becoming too purist with these ideas. In some cases "Made for" is meaningful (eg 1968 onwards European cars Made for US because we can recognise unique lighting arrangements, which also mean legislation imposed emissions specifications and safety features from the same dates - the added reflectors are trivial but evidence of other non-visible changes). 1980s US vans/ambulances brought into Europe may get wing indicators but they do not signify other changes of any significance. But having said that, it may be that our practice of Made for F because of yellow headlights or Made for I because of sidelights in 60s is also pretty meaningless, as they are just as trivial. However they are appealing because we can usually spot them, and because we can be fairly sure that they left the factories in that spec.
Ford_Guy ◊ 2011-11-24 21:14	This is purely my opinion, and somewhat in line with the comment above me, but here I go: Honestly the "Made for" tag is so trivial and ultimately meaningless that I believe that sometimes we spend too much time on it, especially when some people can't seem to understand what it's there for. Especially since this conversation always tends to come up with fairly uninteresting vehicles such as the Econoline/E-Series or the Chevrolet Chevy Van.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-11-24 21:17	ingo wrote Mmmhh, I cannot agree. So the address of the purchaser is the criterion? Maybe not in American, but in European eyes, this is unlogical and misleading. Because over here it's very common (due local tax reasons) to order a new car as an "EU-re-import". Mostly dealers are ordering the car in annother country, but you can make it by your own, too. These cars were produced for the specific country (but nowadays except the official papers, the instruction manual in a different language is the only difference), but never brought there in traffic. In this really not uncommon situation over here, your logic doesn't fit I'm confused. So in Europe, it is considered US spec if it is not imported by the manufacture or made in that particular country?
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-11-24 21:19	Lateef wrote This is what one looks like: Link to "www.modell-utrykning.com" Although the repeater is not visible in this pic, ALL of these ambulances have them in place, there are almost no exceptions. They were built here, but I do not remember by whom. Hey, it can be listed as made for Norway due to its name: Ambulanse. I'm for listing this as made for Norway/EU, but since it appears like everyone else are against it, it doesn't matter to me Personally, I have never heard of the coach builder that makes Norwegian ambulances. I always wondered.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-11-24 21:23	Ford_Guy wrote This is purely my opinion, and somewhat in line with the comment above me, but here I go: Honestly the "Made for" tag is so trivial and ultimately meaningless that I believe that sometimes we spend too much time on it, especially when some people can't seem to understand what it's there for. Especially since this conversation always tends to come up with fairly uninteresting vehicles such as the Econoline/E-Series or the Chevrolet Chevy Van. Thats the ironic part: convos like this are always guarantied to come up with vehicles that are considered uninteresting but never with ones that are interesting.
Ford_Guy ◊ 2011-11-24 21:26	These vehicles are "uninteresting" for a reason: because they are common. It's a vicious cycle
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-24 21:56	rtsbusman1997 wrote I'm confused. So in Europe, it is considered US spec if it is not imported by the manufacture or made in that particular country? No, you misunderstand me. I mean, that, if an European orders a new car in America, he will get compulsory an US- oder CDN-spec car, because -if I'm not wrong- the US-carmakers doesn't have any "made for EU"- (oder for other countries) versions any more in their range. Because there is no classic official brand-supported export any more to Europe. Maybe there are some exceptions, as specifially in the USA for the export made cars, but actually only a few models were particulary and officially sold in Europe. Let's leave the whole lighting-related stuff and take annother example: European car-makers have different bumpers and tailgates with other frames and space for specific plates (America and Japan) in their programme. Are there some actual US-cars, which have the same for Europe and Japan? -- Last edit: 2011-11-24 22:08:39
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-24 22:07	dsl wrote But having said that, it may be that our practice of Made for F because of yellow headlights or Made for I because of sidelights in 60s is also pretty meaningless, as they are just as trivial. However they are appealing because we can usually spot them, and because we can be fairly sure that they left the factories in that spec. Agreed with your first sentence. If we follow this logic, we should list all vehicles with a registration in a left traffic-country (if it's not oriignally from there) as "made for GB/IRL/J/AUS/NZ etc.pp", beacuse they have mirrored headlight-lenses, resp.complete different headlights (about "trivial": the other headlights for my Vauxhall aren't recognizable, but the costs of 600 € I haven't conceived as "trivial" ). Also agreed with the second sentence. Before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement and the many other EU-assimilations it was often really laborius, expensive and tedious to import and let registrate a car from annother European country. We have one example listed: /vehicle_37809-Jaguar-XJ6-Series-I.html So it's quite unlikely, that in old movies we see privately imported and privately converted cars. Nowadays we cannot sure about that any more. -- Last edit: 2011-11-24 23:46:00
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-11-24 23:33	Honestly I hate the made for tag, I think we should only use it to explain a different name in a foreign market. It, like the origin tags, are open to too much interpretation since we don't have a set definition of what does and does not justify the use of it on the site. There are too many cars that have been converted to EU (or other) specs and honestly a lot of the time it is really impossible for us to tell if the car was originally built with these items or were converted later on (by the importer, dealer or even owner) unless we know that the car was not originally sold in that market. These Ambulances are even another issue as they were originally built by Ford in the USA and shipped to the conversion company in Norway to be converted to an Ambulance.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-11-25 02:06	If a car is made for and sold in a certain area, it should be "Made for" that area. If it was never sold in a certain config in a certain area, then it is not "Made for" that area. I'm a bit shocked that this gets so confusing.
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-11-25 03:47	rtsbusman1997 wrote If a car is made for and sold in a certain area, it should be "Made for" that area. If it was never sold in a certain config in a certain area, then it is not "Made for" that area. I'm a bit shocked that this gets so confusing. It is funny that you say that as you are the one that keeps getting the issue confused. Per the rules of the site we leave the made for field blank unless there are factors visible in the screenshot that prove that it is different from the same model in its home market, I am not sure how much clearer that I can be on this point to you. So while technically any car that is sold in a certain country is made for that country some of them have no differences (or none visible in the screenshot) so on this site we leave the made for field blank. -- Last edit: 2011-11-25 04:12:21
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-11-25 19:17	But when a model is seen in a different area than usual and there are things in a screen shot that allows things to be debated, that is allowed by the rules of the site. You ALWAYS seem to have a problem with me asking a question about a aspect in a screenshot that could indicate something that could give it a important thing needed to ID it. If I was wrong, fine. If I was right, fine. You could be a bit more respectful in your responses like everybody else.
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-25 21:33	rtsbusman1997 wrote If a car is made for and sold in a certain area... This is the point of the whole discussion: - it's sometimes not really clear There's annother fact: - both points, you are remarking, "made" and "sold", can differ for one vehicle
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-25 21:46	All our disputes about that topic (@rtsbusman1997: it's not the first one and will not be the last one) are at least help- and useless. And often we are wrong. @all personalities here: the one and only evidence to get the absolute correct clarifiation would be this paper for each car: Link to "img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de" Anything else is more or less coffee grounds reading
Ford_Guy ◊ 2011-11-25 23:58	rtsbusman1997 wrote But when a model is seen in a different area than usual and there are things in a screen shot that allows things to be debated, that is allowed by the rules of the site. You ALWAYS seem to have a problem with me asking a question about a aspect in a screenshot that could indicate something that could give it a important thing needed to ID it. If I was wrong, fine. If I was right, fine. You could be a bit more respectful in your responses like everybody else. But there was a debate about it and in the end most of us decided that it was best to leave the "made for" field blank due to what we deemed to be inconclusive evidence. As for tonka, he was being as respectful as possible. I know that you've been perusing this site for a while so I'm sure that you've seen some of these same conversations come up time and time again, year after year. After a while, for those of us who have been involved with the site for a while, it's like beating a dead horse. There is nothing wrong with the fact that you brought it up as you are a newer user and you are very respectful with your comments. But as you've also seen already, many of the things you comment on, we already decided long ago that we would leave "as is" for the sake of accuracy. While you may be right, you may also be wrong and we would rather take the cautious route and leave some info blank, especially when it is as trivial as the "made for" tag. I understand why you might not agree 100% with this but that's just how it is.
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-11-26 02:47	Ford_Guy hit the nail on the head, I am sorry if you feel that I am "picking on you" rtsbusman1997, I can assure you that that is not the case. I have no problems with you, or anyone, asking questions and/or pointing out differences in equipment or lighting etc. (rjluna2 always points out the differences in lighting as lighting is 'his thing') but when you point out a difference in a car you can expect comments on it. If you comment on something and say that it is made for a country and I (or any other member) think that it doesn't fall into that particular category I (or other users) am going to comment on it so it can be discussed and that another admin doesn't blindly add the made for tag. I have no problems with discussions, I rather enjoy them, but I would much rather leave something off than list something that is wrong especially something as trivial as the made for tag. As for me being respectful, I think I have been more than respectful with you and while I may have gotten a little short with you in some comments that is only after you have repeatedly ignored what I have posted, but like I said previously I am not picking on you or have any problem with you personally. The bottom line is that as an admin on the site I strive for accuracy and consistency and that is all I am after.
rjluna2 ◊ 2011-11-26 17:00	@rtsbusman1997: I get the feeling that these vehicles are usually converted as aftermarket modification, not in the factory modification where they made some conversion to meet the export specification. That is how I interpreted this. The trouble is that some specification could have broad meaning for more than one country that needs to meet its requirement. That is where I draw my line at this point. As tonkatracker explains that I can always comment something that does not fit into the specification that I am used to seeing in our market. As for example that I have seen picture a lots of full Volkswagen [Typ 1] vehicles with missing headlights at the factory ground ready for the export market.
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-26 20:35	A small remark to rljuna2's last comment: although some modifications for some export markets were already made in the factory (and noticed in the data-sheet), some others were made later on by the importer. Example: the "made for I"-Volkswagens in the late 60ies, early 70ies. The side indicators and the clear front indicator lenses were factory-made. But the Italian-spec wiring and circuits (headlight flashers and hazard-lighting were forbidden there back then) wer made by the importer or the dealer, before the car was delivered to the customer.
antp ◊ 2011-11-28 17:35	I just want to quote the most interesting comment on the page: Ford_Guy wrote Honestly the "Made for" tag is so trivial and ultimately meaningless that I believe that sometimes we spend too much time on it, especially when some people can't seem to understand what it's there for. That "made for" tag was added originally simply to indicate to the visitor that the car with a weird name or a weird style is like that because it is country-specific. So for minor details it is really not so important.
dsl ◊ 2011-11-28 18:06	Without wanting to stir this up again, the "made for" tag can have another use when a normal car is found somewhere unexpected. For example we had a 1964 Opel Kadett in a US film last week which I spotted but did not really believe until I clicked and searched to find 4 others in US. So, while I assume in 1964 US Opels were identical to anywhere else, the tagging allows them to be identified without wading through all the others. It may not be purist, but it works in the right context. Maybe after all - and perhaps contradicting the direction of my earlier comment - having US ambulance in N settings as made for N is A Good Thing because it means they can be extracted easily for group searches. It's back to the dilemma of precise car detail vs anticipating user needs and interests.
Lateef ◊ 2019-03-11 10:52	Registreringsnummer JU 67900 Merke og modell FORD RESCUELINE 200 Understellsnummer 1FDJE34M3RHA91683 Registrert første gang i Norge 27.09.1994 Sist EU-godkjent 03.01.2019 Neste kontroll 31.10.2020
tore-40 ◊ 2021-01-09 08:41	'EU' in the 'made for' tag is an abbreviaton for Europe, not an acronym for the European Union.... AFAIK Norway still is, and has been for a very long time, a part of Europe -- Last edit: 2021-01-09 08:42:55
dhill_cb7 ◊ 2021-01-09 15:52	1FD - Ford USA Incomplete Vehicle J - 9,001 - 10,000 E34 - E350 Cargo Van M - 8-446 (7.3) 90-94 Diesel 3 - check digit R - 1994 H - plant A91683 - serial number

1994 Ford Econoline Ambulanse 7.3 D VBK Rescueline 200 [E-350]

1994 Ford Econoline Ambulanse [E-350] in Hodejegerne, Movie, 2011

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