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dsl ◊ 2010-11-19 00:12	Yes - agree 180, not other version. Early Apr71-July72 model without chrome waist strip. Is it RHD with a GB sticker on back?
wickey ◊ 2010-11-19 00:14	probably not - that would be a CS sticker, as lot of 180s were sold in Czechoslovakia
dsl ◊ 2010-11-19 00:19	But RHD??
wickey ◊ 2010-11-19 00:57	why should it be? it was a LHD
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-19 14:02	Behind it a white Mercedes W115 and a white Ford Cortina. I think, quite rare in Czechoslovakia, but probably more rare in Western Germany. If it's an "temporary import for movie" it could be from Austria maybe. The VW in the background is a 1971 1302, colour leuchtorange, maybe the older "coralle".
Weasel1984 ◊ 2010-11-19 14:05	All these cars here (well except 914) were officially sold in CS via Tuzex and sometimes even Mototechna. Well not sure how it was with W115, but at least here it was common car in individual import, so in CS perhaps too.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-19 15:08	Weasel1984 wrote sold in CS via Tuzex and sometimes even Mototechna Is it possible to get old catalogues from it? Or are they to expensive as GENEX-catalogues Link to "cgi.ebay.de" Link to "cgi.ebay.de" or not to find, as the PEWEX-brochures?
sergej ◊ 2010-11-19 16:14	I have found CS owners manual for Ford Cortina MkII in czech lanuage - http://www.yarousch.cz/cortina/prirucka.htm and here is an advertisement from Mototechna (price is 119 000 cs crowns) - http://cortinamk2.webzdarma.cz/Dokument/d06a.html http://cortinamk2.webzdarma.cz/Dokument/d06b.html CS owners manual for Cortina MkI (only the 1st page) - http://cortina.wz.cz/images/other/29.jpg CS owners manual for Cortina Mk III (only the first page) - http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVAXFHS complete CS owners manual for Cortina Mk III - http://mk3.ic.cz/prirucka_cz/prirucka.php http://mk3.ic.cz/doplnek_cz/doplnek.php -- Last edit: 2010-11-19 16:16:21
sergej ◊ 2010-11-19 16:29	Renault 15 (Tuzex) - http://renault15-17.wbs.cz/Letak_Mototechna/letak_TUZEX_1a_original.jpg http://renault15-17.wbs.cz/Letak_Mototechna/Letak_TUZEX_1_original.jpg CS owners manual for Renault 8 (1130), complete - http://www.renaultcc.sk/images/manual/R8_manual_1130/index.html
sergej ◊ 2010-11-19 16:42	complete CS owners manual for Hillman Minx - http://alva.goo.cz/asfalt/hillman/
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-19 22:55	Do you have ever anything seen about the K 70 from Tuzex or from other CS-publications? Until now I haven't anything from CS, CZ or SK in my collection. Otherwise only 5 cars were exported officially to Czechoslovakia...
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-20 21:45	A new try... Link to "cgi.ebay.de" Link to "cgi.ebay.de" -- Last edit: 2010-11-20 21:48:30
dsl ◊ 2010-11-20 22:02	@Sergei - thanks for the links - Cortina and Minx literature fascinating to show what was available. @ingo - good luck with these. The 2nd one is surprising - why written in English? The Chrysler 180/Simca and Cortina pages look as if they're lifted straight from domestic market brochures with no adaptation by Tuzex for Czechoslovakia (eg they show a Cortina GXL, when the only CS sightings in imcdb are basic or L spec).
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-20 22:17	Perhaps this English Tuzex-catalogues was made for the same reason as the GENEX-brochures: Western relatives could order stuff for their family in CS. As it was paid with Western money, there wasn't the typical socialistic supply bottleneck and no years of waiting, in the DDR between 13 and 20 years(!) for a new car. Except the Saporojetz. This was avilable immediately, even for the worthless Alu-Chips (slang for DDR-Mark). An interesting footnote is, that even the GENEX was a DDR-owned company, their catalogues were strictly forbidden in the DDR. The Western visitors were controlled for that and every issue was confiscated immediately. The reason was, that the own citizens weren't allowed to see, what are the real prices for their (often made in DDR) goods. All non-essential technology-goods were artificial overpriced.
dsl ◊ 2010-11-20 22:41	Could they have had a second function as product catalogues for Westerners stationed in these countries (eg diplomatic and trade staff, engineering contractors etc) so that they could order western goods in a distribution network which excluded the local population and brought in Western currency? Which makes me wonder if there were other Genex catalogues for Western food imports - perhaps with a page for the Brits on importing Marmite! Nowadays there are people on ebay who export British food worldwide, presumably to do this in reverse eg Link to "home-garden.shop.ebay.co.uk" .
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-20 23:02	No, the GENEX had only the reason, that Western people in the West could order stuff for their relatives or friends in the DDR. The shops, you are mentioning were called "Intershop". There you could buy Western goods and premium COMECON-stuff for Western money. For some years, DDR-citizens weren't allowed to pay cash there, there had to change their D-Mark before into coupons. Western people could always pay cash there. Not only with D-Mark, also with other currencies. Their lists with the currency-exchange-rates were daily actualized. For West Germans the prices for cigarettes and alcohol (Western brands) were attractive, because there weren't the West German taxes on it. Sometimes there were controls on the Western side of the border-control-points for that. It was popular for smuggling that stuff at the Transit-travel from West Germany to West Berlin (the Autobahn-restaurants in the DDR had all an Intershop, too), and in West Berlin there was a special opportunity. There were two Western-U-Bahn-lines, crossing East-Berlin in the underground. You have passed the legendary "ghost-stations", closed from the 13.August 1961 until early 1990: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geisterbahnhof At the Bahnhof Friedrichstraße you could change the trains, so in East Berlin, but without needing to enter the DDR. No kidding, this train station was divided with walls for this parallel use. At this platform there was a little "Intershop", not accessable from the DDR (except for service-people). There many Western people have bought and smuggled tax-free alcohol and cigarettes. Some hobo's, urban vagrants, have earned a bit money due smuggling-orders for some people. But on the first station in the West, often there had been controls by the West Berlin police for that smuggling...
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-20 23:13	P.S. I remember upset and angry views of the teachers, on the Berlin-trip in July 1989 with our Canadian exchange-students, when on the way back, I came with two arms full with alcohol out of the Intershop at the Transit-Autobahn Berlin-Helmstedt, and I've spread the stuff to the fellows in the bus, to keep the allowed amount per person. But I'd been already 18, so I was allowed to buy it (in West Germany you could buy tabac-products and alcohol, less than 21%, at the age of 16, stronger alcohol with the age of 18). And the teachers, especially the Canadian ones, were still angry, because at our trip the most teenagers (aged 16-17, I'd been the oldest) have drunk a lot in Berlin ("die Stadt, die nie schläft" : no closing time-rules for bars, discos and restaurants), sometimes too much. Sure, the Canadians took the chance. At home they had to be 19
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-20 23:31	dsl wrote Which makes me wonder if there were other Genex catalogues for Western food imports - perhaps with a page for the Brits on importing Marmite! Nowadays there are people on ebay who export British food worldwide, presumably to do this in reverse eg Link to "home-garden.shop.ebay.co.uk" . Oh, yes, you could order food, too. Two pages from the 1988-catalogue: The DDR-people had always very keen on Western brands, for everything. Seriously, one important reason for the collapse of the DDR-creation had been indeed the West German TV-commercials. Every evening they could see, what you can get here, and what they could find (often not) in their shops. Oh, 2.0: Unfortunately the small shop "Little Britian" in Dortmund has closed Now it's only an Internet-shop. Unfortunately, because in the real shop, they had frozen, fresh British food - I've bought fresh Haggis there for my father. It belonged to our present to his 65th birthday, a trip to Scotland. He likes Haggis (me, too ), but since this shop has closed, it's really a problem, to get fresh Haggis in Germany I had to buy Haggis-cans at the Scottish ALDI at our last journey, because I forgot to take the cooler-box with us. As we always take the overnight-ferry Ijmuiden-Newcastle, it would be a too long time for frozen food.
dsl ◊ 2010-11-20 23:31	What a mischievous little scamp you were, ingo!
dsl ◊ 2010-11-20 23:39	ingo wrote Two pages from the 1988-catalogue No UK brands - looks nearly all German with some Swiss chocolate??
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-20 23:58	dsl wrote What a mischievous little scamp you were, ingo! Why? I'm just courteous service-orientated and accomodate my friends and family! The whole stuff was for others, I haven't drunk that. I'm so nice still today, when I'm smuggling many kilogrammes of coffee from Holland to Germany. All for family and colleagues, nothing for me (I don't drink coffee). O.k., maybe it's mischievous in your eyes, that I've broken British laws, too I've smuggled many times fresh food to Britian (which is normally forbidden) Especially in the bad times in Britain (before ALDI and LIDL has overrun the UK and when Tesco and Somerfield still had no acceptable European food), I've helped German friends there, when I've visited them. I got more than one cry for help before (for real Wurst, for Salami, eatable bread, non-Cheddar-cheese, chocolade, etc.) And me and my wife had packed our car also full with food from here, caused by the extreme expensive Brit.Pound in the last years. Since the economy-crisis it's getting better, nowadays it nearly similar as here (we even had bought cat-food and Coca Cola Zero-bottles there last April, because due LIDL-bargain-offers it was a bit cheaper than here). In 2003 to 2005 it was worst We'd been so pissed about the Scottish prices, that for the week nearby Ullapool, we ate only noodles with sauce or potatos with sauce. And got a bad panic-attac on the way back - there is no gas-station between Edinburgh and Galashiels! I just needed 5 liters of Diesel to reach the bailing port (literally - the gas-station in the Ijmuiden-harbour). Fortunately I've reached Galashiels with the really last drop Back to topic: yes, I've also broken DDR-laws. I've smuggled newspapers and political magazines into the DDR, hidden screwed in the dashboard of my Dad's 1981 32B-Passat
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-21 00:05	dsl wrote No UK brands - looks nearly all German with some Swiss chocolate?? O.k., now you've hooked me on. I'm now checking my three GENEX-catalogues (1988, 1989 and 1990) for British made stuff. Just give me a few minutes... P.S. Yes, Swiss chocolade is popular, but West German made is good, too. To say it clearly: even the cheap supermarket-no-name-chocolade is better than Cadbury or the US-Hershey. As a chocolade-lover, I mean it seriously. UK- and US-chocolade tastes "sandy" and not smooth (and I got a mouldy hickup afterwards), all signs for less and substandaded cocoa, also for too much heat during the production. "Sarotti" and "Sprengel" and "Stollwerck" were classic German brands, "Milka" is mainly made in Germany, as the "Kinder"-stuff and all other Ferrero-products, too. P.S.II: In this book http://www.fcdelius.de/buecher/transit_westberlin.html this pic irritates me a lot: The truck has a DDR-plate! In Germany, East as West, normally never ever had been British made trucks on the market! -- Last edit: 2010-11-21 00:22:16
Sandie ◊ 2010-11-21 00:07	I did have a nice drink of smuggled absinthe once... Okay it wasn't that nice. Plenty of petrol stations round here in East Lothian and only slightly out of the way. My local station was recently in the news as the cheapest station in all of Scotland. It is still 119.9p for a litre of diesel. Honestly, it makes me glad I don't have a car.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-21 00:44	dsl wrote No UK brands - Mackintosh "Quality Street" - Windsor Castle "Orange Pekoe Tea" - Ballantines - Johnnie Walker Oh, something rare among them: "Racke Rauchzart", the only German made Whisky Hmmm, seems to be all... This is for sure not made in Britain:
dsl ◊ 2010-11-21 01:23	- Mackintosh "Quality Street" - Yes - Windsor Castle "Orange Pekoe Tea" - never heard of it - faked name? - Ballantines - Yes for UK origin but I think is usually an export-only brand? - Johnnie Walker - Yes for UK origin but I think is usually an export-only brand? Did the cruel Iron Curtain regimes really deny their oppressed citizens the joys of mixer taps?!? -- Last edit: 2010-11-21 01:27:00
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-21 18:05	They had indeed big problems with quality material for building. As tiles, paint, roof-tiles -at least everything- and with armatures, too. Caused by the materials, which had to be all imported (copper, chrome, brass, zinc etc.pp) In their despair they even made faucets and valves from plastic! Which was idiotic shit for sure, as it cannot hold the pressure too long. Yes, everything in the DDR, all technology, material, goods, infrastructure, buildings, absolutely everything, was totally outdated, rotten, primitive and broken And for this whole misery -and the assholes, who have caused that- we West Germans still have to pay. Billions and Billiards since 1990 It's a worse millstone around our neck than the whole colony-costs, the UK still has.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-25 23:15	dsl wrote No UK brands Not even that classic British item: "Made in France" is engraved on the bottom.
Ingo ◊ 2010-12-05 23:17	I got it: Link to "cgi.ebay.de" Today it's too late, but I've found some funny details, which I don't want to withheld to you Pic will come soon. Btw: in this 1975-cataloge re only COMECON-made cars! Different than in the 1978-issue (an extra leaflet for Western cars), where the VW Golf, the Volvo 343, the Fiat 131 S, the Volvo 244 and the Volvo 264 are listed. Oh, I see right now, in 1978 there was also annother catalogue for cars, also all COMECON-made.
Ingo ◊ 2010-12-06 19:03	A pic from this catalogue, specially posted for rljuna2 All cars in this specific brochure were COMECON-made, but the extra equipment and also the car-care-products were from Western brands.
rjluna2 ◊ 2010-12-07 22:08	Danke, ingo -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 22:10:27
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