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General Dynamics M1A1 'Abrams' 
Class: Others, Military armored vehicle — Model origin: 
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2009-11-12 12:57 |
most likely an M1A1 model. |
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◊ 2009-11-12 18:54 |
What makes you say that? |
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◊ 2009-11-13 02:11 |
First: Do you really think that the army would supply a model of the Abrams that's still in use and equipped with the latest technology? Second: Color, the M1A2 was used mostly in desert locations, so it's camouflage shouldn't be green. Third: probability, about 700 M1A2 were made or upgraded from M1A1, compared to ~5000(minus those that are M1A2 now) M1A1. That's about it. But, as in most movies, it could be one of those Centurion tanks disguised as an Abrams(although i still think it's made after an M1A1 ) -- Last edit: 2009-11-13 02:17:59 |
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◊ 2009-11-13 02:33 |
Was this movie even sponsored by the Department of Defense? I only ask out of curiosity since I've never known for sure. About your first point: Yes, they would. A clear example would be the tank(s) from Transformers: Revenge of the fallen: /vehicle_226406-General-Dynamics-M1A2--Abrams-.html And they've also loaned out M1A1 models as plenty of those are still in service. If they think it'll make for good promotion, then the US armed forces will loan almost anything out (as has been demonstrated by both Transformers films). Also, this may have been filmed stateside where most of the Abrams are green. And this is more to nitpick but there have been some green Abrams in the Middle East that have been deployed there. Your third point connects with the first point: What is the Army willing to loan out? The only sure-fire way of being able to tell would be to know if there was DoD support for this movie or not. |
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◊ 2009-11-13 02:57 |
yes, i read about the thing with support, and found an interview with the producer and says: "IESB: When you guys did Transformers, you guys had the full support of the U.S. Military, are you reaching out again for support this time around? LDB: Yes. IESB: Michael Bay has an incredible relationship with the military, are you guys getting the same type of access, is it comparable to Transformers? LDB: Like in Transformers, it's a long process for us to make them feel comfortable and for us to understand their needs, we're in that process and I'm very confident that process will come out in a very positive way. But, when you say "comparable to Transformers" it's a very different movie than Transformers so because there is an element of fantasy in this Joe versus Cobra, the U.S. Army doesn't have fantasy weaponry if you would." Link: Link to "www.iesb.net" so this kinda brings out the discussion again. because now we can't know for sure what they used. M1A1 or M1A2. But i still have some leads: i guess the sequence with the Abrams was filmed at Fort Irwin Military Reservation,so if anyone knows what kind of tanks they have there.. it would be great. But i don't think we can have that much luck, so i'll stick with the M1A1 being more probable. |
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◊ 2009-11-13 03:03 |
Fair enough .gif ";)") For me I just wanted to be sure this was an actual Abrams tank and not a fake. Thanks for the research! |
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◊ 2009-11-13 03:29 |
you're welcome. I really like doing research on vehicles, it removes all the stress from the system. i usually try to take on one of those "page 2xx" unidentified pics and try to dig up something. |
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◊ 2011-07-21 04:22 |
...I think the only way to tell between a mocked-up Centurion and an Abrams... was by looking at its threads and its length. |
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◊ 2012-05-28 07:28 |
Actually, it's pretty easy to tell this is an A1; the A2 has a large cylinderical device in front of the loader's MG, the CIS or CITV (Commander's Independant Sight / Commander's Independant Thermal Viewer) while the A1 has a circular cover that looks like a manhole cover over the mounting hole. Link to "upload.wikimedia.org" This is an M1A2 with the CIS visible (it also has the TUSK body kit, though that can go on either version). This site has most of the mocked-up tanks wrong, unfortunately; as far as I'm aware only the tanks in Courage Under Fire and Cradle 2 The Grave are Centurions, almost all the others are the three vismod Chieftains belonging to a California outfit called Army Trucks Inc. They're actually not hard to tell apart from real Abrams, since they have things like: *Driver's periscopes mounted on the hull with a rectangular driver's hatch (the Abrams has a V-shaped hatch with the periscopes mounted on top of it). *Fume extractor mounted halfway along the gun instead of on the first third. *A large V-shaped splash guard on the glacis place which shouldn't be on an Abrams. *Ribs on the sponsons (the parts of the hull above the tracks) which seperate removed stowage boxes on the Chieftain and aren't on the Abrams at all. The Courage Under Fire Centurbrams is different again; most obviously the driver's hatch is offset to one side of the hull rather than being in the middle under the gun. It has a spare roadwheel mounted where the CIS plate should be, and the front on the gunner's sight is a solid plate whereas the Chieftain vismods have an open front with glass sight panels. I made a list a while back, AT Inc Chieftain is misidentified as a Centurion on Jarhead, Jericho, Hulk, Iron Man, Cloverfield, Southland Tales, The Day the Earth Stood Still, D-War and Malcolm in the Middle, and as an Abrams on The Kingdom. |
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◊ 2012-06-01 22:15 |
Thanks, this error has been corrected on those films you've mentioned. |
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