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1965 FSO Syrena 110 [S-31]

1965 FSO Syrena 110 [S-31] in Historia kolem sie toczy, TV Series, 1995 Ep. 4

Class: Cars, Proto / Concept — Model origin: PL

1965 FSO Syrena 110 [S-31]

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

Comments about this vehicle

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Weasel1984 PL

2009-04-22 22:57

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Between 1965 (or 1964) and 1966/67 about 30-40 of these were made and later sold to the private customers.

In ep. 6:
(pic lost)

-- Last edit: 2018-06-25 23:03:47

garco NL

2009-04-23 08:09

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Looks quite modern for the 60's.

carobserver MX

2010-11-23 17:14

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garco wrote Looks quite modern for the 60's.

yes, so modern specially coming from Poland

btw, this os a FWD?

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-23 17:18

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Yes. Well the ordinary, old Syrena was FWD too (but these were different cars, except the engine - for serial production new engine was planned).

dsl SX

2010-11-23 17:54

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Spot the bits: wheels and hubcaps from Avenger or Chrysler 160/180, rear body side pressing from Renault 5, doors from Mini with sliding windows (with neat reshaping to continue the lower R5 crease) and so on. Anybody recognise the dashboard dials and switches? Front wing does not match rest of body at front and rear edges. 1965 date very doubtful - late 70s or later??

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 17:58

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dsl wrote 1965 date very doubtful - late 70s or later??


:sun: You made the best compliment for this project authors.

The wheels have only three bolts.

Sandie SX

2010-11-23 18:00

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Reminds me of a Citroen LN/Peugeot 104.

-- Last edit: 2010-11-23 18:01:22

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 18:04

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However it's very possible many elements came from other cars few years later when this car resurected.
The speedometer borrowed from Polski Fiat 125p 1300, dashboard's switches are typical for late 70s Polish vehicles.
I suppose the original equipment was used in other FSO prototypes, e.g. Syrena 104 Laminat in late 60s, after Syrena 110 project ceased.

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-23 18:05

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What are we talking about? This body is from 1964/65 and it is the most important!

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 18:08

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The car no. 12 own by Mr Grzegorz Jędraszczak has original dashboard I believe:
http://www.ampir-autostarocie.pl/pliki/syrena_110.html

dsl SX

2010-11-23 18:12

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It can't be - look at the components which in two cases are 1971+ in origin and stolen from other cars. If FSO Syrena produced a run of 30-40 cars in 1964/5, it was not the pictured car but something else. Anyway if they ever produced 30-40 of the pictured car, they must have cut up a lot of Minis, Avengers and Renault 5s (and Simca 1100s for the tailgate) to do so, so I think this is a one-off.

-- Last edit: 2010-11-23 18:14:48

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-23 18:18

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What does it mean "it can't be" or "stolen"? Please, have a bit of humility. Do not dissapoint me. :D
Reanult 5 existed in mid-60's? Quite interesting...

-- Last edit: 2010-11-23 18:25:42

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 18:19

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Weasel1984 wrote What are we talking about? This body is from 1964/65 and it is the most important!


With no doubt. I just try to clear up our friends this strange mix of parts. :D

dsl,
the "Syrena 110" project started in 1961 and ceased in 1966 because FSO factory have been bought the FIAT licence for 125.

The same fate hitted the 4-cyl. in-line 970 cc. OHC engine, dedicated for Syrena 110.

All 30-40 prototypes were made in 1965-1966 period.

The FSO factory sold the most cars for private owners.
They tried to keep it running throught next 10-15 years with spare parts from series cars.

Few cars have been survived only. Uncompleted or/and customized by owners.

-- Last edit: 2010-11-23 19:49:33

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-23 18:22

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The parts you have mentioned (130) are perhaps indeed from later FSOs, but for sure it is not, that entire body elements are from completely different models, like dsl suggests. We perfectly know period pics of 110's from the mid-60's. In Poland these are well know vehicles.

-- Last edit: 2010-11-23 18:23:23

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 18:36

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Whole project's story here:
http://www.polskie-auta.pl/syrena/s110.html
try with Babel fish.

Gallery with Syrena 110 photos:
http://www.polskie-auta.pl/syrena/s111.html

Yes, I believe the modern Western cars gave inspiration for our engineers and it's nothing wrong if you don't copy.
These front-wheel-drive hatchbacks - Beta, Delta and finally Syrena 110 - were definitely their own masterwork.

dsl, you may need some article's copy about Syrena 110 from mid 60s Polish 'Motor' paper. :D

dsl SX

2010-11-23 19:05

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130rapid wrote The car no. 12 own by Mr Grzegorz Jędraszczak has original dashboard I believe

Look at the door in that photo - the window catches and the door bin - and compare with early Mini .... I'm not attacking Syrena or Polish car designers, but on the evidence pictured many components look stolen from (= taken from - I don't mean that they went down the street late at night and cut bits off innocent people's cars, threw them into the van and rushed back to the factory, leaving a street full of wrecks - simply that Syrena did not make them). The Jędraszczak car looks much better built with lines that match each other and many detail differences (wheels, front lights, front wing joins and so on) - while its rear bodywork still looks R5-ish, it is clearly not actual Renault - the window size for instance is wrong. But the main picture has too many differences - presumably a recent restoration which has used modern bits from other cars - the problem is not the original car but the clumsy and/or opportunistic way this particular one has been recreated.

Sandie SX

2010-11-23 19:07

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Maybe the bits were to replace parts on the original cars?

It's not like you can get new parts for your Prototype FSO... They replaced the door with a Mini door and so on?

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-23 19:11

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These were protoypes, hard to expect, that all will be perfect and identical. Nothing, except the way of opening of the side window, reminds me Mini.

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130rapid PL

2010-11-23 19:26

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Indeed, dsl. The light grey car from The Museum of Technology exhibition in Warsaw looks worse assembled than white Jędraszczak car.

Grzegorz Jędraszczak (very kind, circa 60 year-old gentelman) claims only this two cars exist today. Or are known as existing. Maybe somebody will find another in a barm...

-- Last edit: 2010-11-23 20:30:53

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 19:52

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Weasel1984, it's interesting what dsl will say after first sight of FSM Beskid concept car. :sun:

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dsl SX

2010-11-23 20:15

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130rapid wrote it's interesting what dsl will say after first sight of FSM Beskid concept car.

Where's the elephant trap for me to fall into? It looks genuine and I can see where some of the ideas for the Lancia Y10 came from ... :??:

SPLAT

-- Last edit: 2010-11-23 20:17:00

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 20:25

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Don't get angry. I'm just kidding. :D

dsl SX

2010-11-23 20:43

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130rapid wrote Don't get angry.

I'm not angry - just stuck down a big pit. Anyone got a ladder? No, not a Lada - a ladder!

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-23 20:46

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dsl wrote ...No, not a Lada - a ladder!

/vehicle.php?id=336721 ?

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-23 20:48

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130rapid wrote Weasel1984, it's interesting what dsl will say after first sight of FSM Beskid concept car. :sun:

Beskid is like for now unlucky for documentaries. Maybe was in missing episode. :/

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 20:49

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dsl wrote
I'm not angry - just stuck down a big pit. Anyone got a ladder? No, not a Lada - a ladder!


Nooooo, I repeat as written higher. You made the greatest compliments for Syrena 110's designers, just by deeply doubting its model year. :sun:

Same way, the best compliment for me as a driver is... the sleeping passenger. :D

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130rapid PL

2010-11-23 20:59

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Weasel1984 wrote Beskid is like for now unlucky for documentaries. Maybe was in missing episode. :/


I think we must wait for another part of "Legendy PRL" by Patryk Mikiciuk. It's just a matter of time. :)

I remember good (and have somewhere) the three-page comparsion test drive of the fatigued Beskid (the daily aid on Opole University of Technology) versus brand new Fiat Cinqecento ED.

dsl SX

2010-11-23 21:05

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Weasel1984 wrote http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=336721 ?

I remember it well. Still one of the most strangest entries on the database.

130rapid PL

2010-11-23 21:25

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130rapid wrote I think we must wait for another part of "Legendy PRL" by Patryk Mikiciuk. It's just a matter of time. :)


Well, actually such part exists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpaLFEVBGmg
One of the seven (?) existing today FSM Beskid 106 good visible as featuring, at 3:30.
And as the star: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VAxuc4MosI

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Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-24 00:02

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Then fck will perhaps take care about it. ;)

-- Last edit: 2010-11-27 11:19:47 (fck)

Weasel1984 PL

2010-11-24 18:21

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I took few period pics from the books.
First 2(3) are from the mid 60's (the white car can be even the same) and come from the book "Historia konstrukcji samochodˇw FSO" of M. Gˇrski (who was one of this car designers):

Also body of one of the prototypes during tests in BBZ (the construction is better visible):
(pic lost)

Pic below is perhaps more interesting, it comes from book "Polskie konstrukcje motoryzacyjne 1961-1965" of A. Zieliński. By the ordinary Warsaw plates (pre-1976 version) it shows one of the car which went in the private hands
(pic lost)
Visible in the background board for posters and adverts suggests it was taken in the 60's or ealry 1970's. Later, in such form, they dissapeared I think.

-- Last edit: 2018-08-09 14:02:44

fck PL

2010-11-27 11:21

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Weasel1984 wrote Then fck will perhaps take care about it. ;)


I'm out of dsl internet so, well, it have to be wait a few weeks. ;)

dsl SX

2010-11-27 11:42

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fck wrote I'm out of dsl internet so, well, it have to be wait a few weeks.

Will it be an online christmas present??

fck PL

2010-11-27 17:07

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Maybe sooner than christmas. :)

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