1960 Lincoln Landau [57A]
1960 Lincoln Landau [57A] in Surfside 6, TV Series, 1960-1962 Ep. 1.26
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◊ 2008-01-05 00:15 |
1959 Continental Mk.IV hardtop sedan [75A]. |
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◊ 2010-05-21 20:18 |
I think not a Continental: Traditional rear window (The Continental has got the reversed C-pillar). |
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◊ 2011-03-04 05:23 |
I'm looking at pictures of the 1959 Lincoln in my 1950's American Car book, and the Continental does have the special reversed C-Pillar back window like electra225 stated. The pic above obviously does not have that, but more the "regular" or traditional one. So, if it's not a Lincoln Continental...is it maybe a Lincoln Capri or Premiere? -- Last edit: 2011-03-04 05:24:21 |
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◊ 2011-03-04 14:57 |
From view shown, how do we know this is a '59 and not a '58 or a '60? (And I agree, this is a Lincoln, not a Continental.) -- Last edit: 2011-03-04 14:58:10 |
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◊ 2011-03-04 15:18 |
Did a little photo research and from what is visible of the front bumper, I believe this is a 1960 model. Also, the '59 photos I found of Capris and Premiers all show a Lincoln nameplate on the front fenders which the car above does not have. Changing to 1960. And this is a base Lincoln (no "Capri" name in '60) as opposed to a Premier wich had a small medallion on the front fenders just behind the wheel openings not shown on the photo'ed car. -- Last edit: 2011-03-04 15:24:11 |
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◊ 2011-03-04 17:04 |
Link to "www.oldcarbrochures.com" |
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◊ 2011-03-04 17:26 |
Thanks, 130. Note the front bumper profile. Your link shows the base Lincoln, as in the photo above. Here is a link to the Premier: Link to "www.oldcarbrochures.com" Note the tiny medallion to the rear of the front wheel opening. Other than that feature, they seem to be identical in every way from the side. -- Last edit: 2011-03-04 17:30:16 |
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◊ 2011-03-05 06:49 |
Awesome...that was figured out fast! .gif ":)") It is hard to tell from just that side view of what year the Lincoln was...1958-1960. Any of the years would have been possible, as the show started in 1960 and ended in '62. Also, Commander 57 is right--the 59 Capris and Premieres had the model name-plates on the sides of the front fenders--which this pic did not have. Also, 59 Continentals had the model-name on the side of the front fender as well. I should have caught the no-name-on-fender aspect before asking the question (Capris or Premieres?) in last night's message. .gif ";)") So, 1960 base-model it is! A base-model would have been much cheaper and/or more economically feasible for a low-budget show in the 1960's too.I love 1950's and 1960's Lincolns...my all-time favorite being the 1958 Lincoln Continental! I may be mistaken in which model year it was, but I believe I read once the '58 Continental was one of the (if not the) longest/widest American cars ever produced. I have this show, "Surfside 6", on DVD (homemade ones)...so I'll have to get them out and watch episode 26 in season 1 (I believe called "Invitation To a Party")--mainly to see who's Lincoln this was and what part it played in the episode.  -- Last edit: 2011-03-05 07:08:20 |
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◊ 2011-03-05 15:19 |
I read that about the '58 Lincoln size too somewhere, Hunter. They pushed the legal width limit to the maximum with those models. I love these cars too, Hunter! My all-time favorite is the '57 Premier sedan. (In black, of course!) |
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◊ 2011-03-05 21:55 |
Black is an awesome color for the old Lincolns! The '57 is probably my second favorite. In the 1990's cable detective show "Silk Stalkings" (an old USA network show 1991-1999) there was this regular loveable con-man character called Cotton. He drove this awesome old black 1958 Continental Convertible that he'd nick-named "Beauty." That car was awesome, and a "Beauty" it was!!  It's the perfect Lincoln that I'd want, if I had the money. -- Last edit: 2011-03-05 22:09:11 |
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◊ 2011-03-05 22:05 |
I would take the '57 Premier sedan which appears in Perry Mason episode 1.05: /vehicle_204910-Lincoln-Premiere-58B-1957.html -- Last edit: 2011-03-05 22:07:23 |
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◊ 2011-03-05 22:15 |
Ahh...I love "Perry Mason" and have most episodes! I love the Lincolns that Mason drove over the years and I do remember the '57 in the episode you mentioned. He also later drove 58's and then several 60's models. Usually he went back and forth between Lincolns and Cadillacs...depending on whether it was Ford or GM sponsoring the episode. Going back to the main pic here of the 1960 Lincoln...in my 1960's American Car book, it's showing pictures and model names of all the 1960 Lincolns produced. It has the Lincoln 4-door Sedan (with the window post in the middle), as well as the Lincoln 4-door Hardtop (without the middle window post). It looks to me that the pic here is without the middle window post-thing...so would this be the 4-door hardtop instead of the sedan? Just curious, and not quite sure what the difference between the hardtop and sedan is--other than in my pics the middle window post is in one and not in the other?? |
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◊ 2011-03-05 22:56 |
I've always regarded a TRUE sedan as having both a center post and fixed window frames. A 4-door hardtop would have neither. A 4-door "pillared hardtop" would have the "B" pillar but no window frames. Ford Motor Co built alot of that style in the 1970's but there were other examples. |
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◊ 2011-03-05 23:22 |
Gotcha! Thanks for the awesome info...I love learning all the "technicals"! But, it looks to me like the 1960 Lincoln here has no center post or fixed window frames...so would it be a hardtop instead of the sedan? Or is there no way to really tell unless the windows were up (as they all look to be down in this old pic)? |
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◊ 2011-03-06 01:14 |
Yes, the photo'ed car, lacking fixed frames or a "B" pillar, would qualify as a "4-door hardtop". I wish this site had categories for 2-door and 4-door hardtops but it doesn't, so we list all the 4-doors as "sedans" even when it's not technically correct. |
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◊ 2011-03-06 01:23 |
You might find this link interesting: Link to "www.oldcarbrochures.com" It shows all the 1958 models in profile. Note how thin the "B" pillars are on the sedan. So narrow I would think they would look like hardtops with the windows up! |
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◊ 2011-03-06 05:25 |
Gotcha...that's cool about the Sedan/Hardtop thing. I was just curious myself, as I've often wondered what the differences were. Thanks for the link to the 58 Lincoln brochure--that's awesome!! Earlier above in one of your other posts (in response to my original question of whether the Lincoln was maybe a Premiere or Capri) you mentioned that the 1959 Lincoln Premiere had a small medallion emblem of some kind on the font fender. In the 58 Lincoln brochure it looked like the Premiere medallion thing was on the front door (rather than the fender)...towards the end of some kind of side design. They must have decided to change that around?? Also, yeah the B-Pillars on the Sedan look pretty narrow. You have to look really close to see 'em and realize it was a sedan and not the hardtop. -- Last edit: 2011-03-06 05:31:21 |
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◊ 2011-03-06 16:11 |
My comment at 17:26 referenced the 1960 models. -- Last edit: 2011-03-06 16:12:07 |
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◊ 2011-03-07 02:46 |
Oh...I was actually referring to your comment above that (15:18), but perhaps that was also referring to the 1960 model. Either way, the 1958 Premiere seemed to have the medallion on the door...wheras both the 59 and 60 models had it on the fender instead. All of the pictures I've seen, the medallion is so small I can't see what's on it. What is the medallion-thing? Also, I ran across a pic of a 1959 Lincoln under "The Godfather: Part II". It's listed as a 59 Premiere...but there is no medallion symbol on the fender/door at all...so I asked the question of whether it might be a Capri instead. Were the medallion things only for Premieres...or were they sometimes on other models (except for the Continental) too? -- Last edit: 2011-03-07 03:21:11 |
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◊ 2011-03-07 14:56 |
Apparently, it's just on the Premiers. And I agree, it's so small I don't know what it depicts. (Perhaps a Google image search might locate an owner who posted close up photos of their Premier.) |
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◊ 2011-03-08 06:42 |
It seemed like it was only on the Premieres, from what I could tell in my car books and other pics online. I'll try to do image searches to see what I can find out about the medallion-emblem. What about the Lincoln I mentioned above, that's under "The Godfather: Part II"? Do you think it's a Premiere, as it's listed, or is it a Capri and/or Base Model? -- Last edit: 2011-03-08 06:45:12 |
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◊ 2011-03-08 15:25 |
It appears to be a Capri and I have changed it there. Thanks for the catch, Hunter. |
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◊ 2011-03-08 17:17 |
Hunter, here is a link to a page from the 1959 Lincon brochure showing the Permiere. I'll bet that tiny logo shown toward the top right of the page is what appears on the car. Link to "www.oldcarbrochures.com" -- Last edit: 2011-03-08 17:18:15 |
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◊ 2011-03-09 07:05 |
I bet you're right--that tiny square emblem is the symbol on the 1959 Premiere! Awesome! I did look up the Premiere emblem/symbol several places, but could never really get a definite answer. On ebay I found some Premiere emblems from different years (years not always known or stated??) and some of them were just the word "Premiere" in different designs...while others were this star-type emblem or symbol. I've found (from pictures online and in my car books) that the star emblem was on the 1958 Premieres...while the 59 used the square one (like in the brochure link you posted above) instead! So, they must have used different symbols for different years...but only the Premieres had them. As for the Lincoln in the "Godfather: Part II", I figured it was probably a Capri or Base Model...just didn't know which one. I saw you thought it first was a Capri...then changed it to just the base-model sedan. I agree--as I also stated under that car, a pic of a 1959 Lincoln Capri 4-door hardtop I found showed the word "Lincoln" spelled out across the hood, in between the headlights. Since the 59 in "Godfather II" did not show that (plain hood), I agree that it's probably just the base-model 4-door sedan. Cool! -- Last edit: 2011-03-09 07:21:10 |
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◊ 2011-03-09 15:36 |
From a check of the 1958 Lincoln brochure, you are correct, Hunter. In that year, they used a star symbol on the Premiere door side instead of the fender-mounted rectangle. |
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◊ 2011-03-09 22:05 |
Mystery solved, Hunter! Here is a close up of the front fender emblem: Link to "i.ebayimg.com" (Found it on E-Bay using the search "1959 Lincoln Emblem". I assume the 1960 emblem looked the same.) |
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◊ 2011-03-10 06:47 |
Sweet...awesome!! This is definitely the 1959 (and I'm assuming probably the 1960 model too) Premiere emblem. Notice it has both the star symbol and includes the name "Premiere." I think the '58 Premiere just had the star symbol. Mystery solved, indeed! |
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◊ 2011-03-11 23:05 |
I see this one has been the subject of some discussion. Am I correct in assuming from this that it is Premiere? Or is it just a regular Lincoln? It is certainly not a (model) Sedan! And it is a hardtop, not a pillared sedan. -- Last edit: 2011-03-11 23:08:27 |
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◊ 2011-03-11 23:35 |
1960 base Lincoln 4-door hardtop is the conclusion. |
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◊ 2011-03-12 00:57 |
Other than the special symbol/emblem...how could you tell the difference between a Premiere and a Base-Model? Did the name "Premiere" ever appear on the outside or inside of the car? Just curious, since I know we've mostly only discussed the symbol on the fender/door. |
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◊ 2011-03-12 02:28 |
Well, it's written on the small emblem we have discussed. I'm sure there must have been interior upgrades on the Permiere as I doubt anyone would pay more just for an emblem! (I personally don't know the differences but reference to the 1960 brochure on the brochure site will hopefully provide the answer.) |
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◊ 2011-03-12 07:44 |
I agree. Other than a small piece of metal or plastic on a fender/door...I don't think most would pay more for just that. I would think there would be some kind of interior (and perhaps even other exterior ones) differences between Premieres and the base-model. I will have to re-look in my books and/or more websites again, but were there also maybe engine (size/horsepower) differences too? |
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◊ 2011-03-12 16:35 |
I did read that the Premiere had a leather interior but don't know if that was standard or not. |
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◊ 2011-03-13 00:49 |
It could have been in some...I read that some Ohio company had specially made a few Lincoln Continental Mark IV and a few Lincoln Town Car Limos for 1960. Only 49 Mark IV Limos and only 78 Town Car Limos were made...but some had leather and gray broadcloth for the interiors. I don't know if the leather was also used in Premieres too or not? Probably. I also read that in 1960 curb weights for Lincoln ranged from 4917Ib to 5272Ib...depending on the model. So, weight also may have been a difference in models. Before, Lincoln had created the 430-cid V8--the largest American car engine of the day, to help cope with the weight of the cars! Initially it made 375bhp...but only returned just 10mpg.  So, for 1960 the 4-barrel carb was discarded resulting in a 315-bhp rating but still only nominal gas savings. In the 50's, the economy was awesome--and gas was cheap! But, could you imagine what it would be like to only get 10mpg now, when gas is averaged at $3.55 a gallon??  -- Last edit: 2011-03-13 00:52:04 |
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◊ 2011-03-13 02:41 |
Of course, the owners of collector cars rarely worry since they usually don't drive the cars much. My 1985 Crown Vic gets very low miles per gallon but I generally only drive it about 900 to 950 miles per year so I don't particularly care. |
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◊ 2011-03-13 06:50 |
Yeah, my 1996 Camaro Z28 probably only gets 17-20 miles a gallon (on the highway that is ), but I don't drive it much, except for on weekends and in sunny weather. It's my "baby"  . I'm sure that the collectors don't drive the cars much, so no I don't think gas is much of an issue. But, if they produced new cars today that only got around 10mpg (and that was your only or "regular" car), that would not be cool! My car that I drive regularly is an 2004 Chrysler 300M. It does pretty good with gas. |
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◊ 2011-03-13 16:04 |
Yeah, my trusty old '94 Cutlass Ciera does a pretty good job in that department. |
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◊ 2011-03-13 22:15 |
Yeah...but despite the gas thing I still think it would be awesome to have a car with 375bhp like the old Lincolns!! Although my Camaro is pretty awesome it doesn't have that much horse-power. It would also be "tons" (pun intended ) lighter than old Lincolns, so it would practically "fly" if it had that engine. |
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◊ 2011-03-14 16:41 |
Our '64 Cadillac was heavy as a tank but the engine was so powerful (340 HP) that it would lunge forward at the slightest accellerator touch! |
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◊ 2011-03-15 08:43 |
LOL! Yeah, I always think my Camaro is so powerful...but compared to those old cars, the engine doesn't really compare at all. However, it would be lighter than the old Detroit metal bodies of old cars, so that would help. -- Last edit: 2011-03-15 08:43:25 |
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◊ 2011-10-15 14:41 |
I got a Premiere 1960 4dr sedan in my garage, it has the pillar between the sidewindows, the star with the name PREMIERE behind the frontwheel and the name LINCOLN at the back fender, there is only made 1010 of this model. (and one of them is still running in Denmark :-)i know of one without numberplates in sweden to, thats all i could find in europe. |
