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1975 Bedford TK Dropside tipper

1975 Bedford TK in Cal, Movie, 1984

Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: — Made for: IRL

1975 Bedford TK Dropside tipper

00:22:20 Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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dsl ◊ 2018-11-04 00:36	JOI 4937 was Belfast early 1975, but again likely to be fake.
dsl ◊ 2018-11-24 03:07	Date for choc-ice indicators??
jcb ◊ 2018-11-25 08:56	Looking at photos 1969 seems to be the crossover year. Briefly in 1972 they were mounted lower down near headlamps due to anticipated legislation that did not happen but made them easily damaged. https://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p367630089/h22759ce5#h22759ce5 Bedford KM'S had them as standard from intro in 66. -- Last edit: 2018-11-25 09:09:57
dsl ◊ 2018-11-25 13:45	Did not know about the brief 1972 low-mounted phase, but we don't seem to have any. Sunbar wrote 1972, bold white grille lettering to 1976, old black surround before silhouette red griffin badge This change came in August 72. This 1975 plate fits, so despite doubts, might as well use it.
jcb ◊ 2018-11-25 14:51	Here's low indicator one- /vehicle.php?id=18108 -- Last edit: 2018-11-25 14:52:32
dsl ◊ 2018-11-25 15:17	... and another, with the pre-Aug 72 letters above grille - /vehicle_111588-Bedford-TK-1972.html - so this phase ran across the lettering change. More examples - /vehicle.php?id=25983 , /vehicle.php?id=110380 , /vehicle.php?id=615239 , /vehicle.php?id=605822 (French example, so not just a UK thing), /vehicle_1210057-Bedford-TK.html -- Last edit: 2018-12-01 19:15:13
dsl ◊ 2018-11-25 16:32	Every time I have a go at trying to sort out TKs, I make some progress and then get bogged down by confusing info. So to try to establish something solid , here's what I think we know, and some questions. Indicator formats and front badges: (a) possible first format - "cake slice" - a Maltese sale advert described as 1960 - seems not to have lasted long (as we have very few) before (b) "lollipops" until 1968 or 1969, of which we have loads, with 1961 onwards plates on UK examples /vehicle_724481-Bedford-TK-1961.html (c) "choc-ice" indicators from 1968 or 1969 until August 72 (Glass's date - doesn't give other change dates) /vehicle_714150-Bedford-TK-1970.html (d) Aug 72 to 1975 - still "choc-ice" indicators, but BEDFORD letters moved into grille, usually white-painted /vehicle.php?id=690406 (e) 1976 - griffin badge on front panel switched from chrome with black background to red silhouette /vehicle_510799-Bedford-TK-1977.html (f) production ended 1986 In addition, we have this low-mounted choc-ice phase described above for a short period in 1972, starting before the Aug 72 lettering move and finishing after it, so includes both examples. So some questions: (i) are there other changes to add?? (ii) when did TK production start?? Some sites say 1959 (wiki etc also this "1959" production line photo), but this picture says first TK built 4 August 1960. Glass's suggests August 1960 as well. (iii) both photos in (ii) do not seem to have lollipops but look like possible cake-slice, so is this initial format confirmed, and is there an end-date?? (iv) we have several lollipops with 1969 UK plates, suggesting 1968 should be corrected to 1969 or maybe even 1970 for lots of entries - agreed?? (v) assembly sites outside UK - so far we have NZ (the only one listed by wiki), plus lots of claims for Aus, Portugal, Turkey. Any others?? There are several entries in NL for instance - was there Dutch assembly?? (Also noted that there may well be delays or even omissions from the UK timeline for the update sequence when applied to foreign builds).
Sunbar ◊ 2018-11-25 17:04	TK introduced September 1960 http://archive.commercialmotor.com/page/9th-september-1960/70 First indicators were round surface mount lolly-pop with the rectangular insect side-lights. ii) production line has no indicators fitted (I can see the hole in the panel) and ii) end of line has round lolly-pops visible. Other changes small upper-mounted round mirror (12-18 months from intro) mid-A pillar single point enlarged mirror (later option of two point KM-type mirror). Deleted front panel 'whiskers' around badge in 1969. Push-button door handle replaced lever type in September 1972. I would not trust any Malta truck for originality! Don't know of any cake slice examples other than that one. I find the lower Choc-ice mounting strange but no experience yet for dates. -- Last edit: 2018-11-25 18:47:23
dsl ◊ 2018-11-25 21:15	- "Mid-A pillar single point enlarged mirror" seems to be about 1964 from our collection. - "Whiskers" (or absence) is useful for some pre-1972s where indicator format unclear or obscured. - seems there may be an additional stage (f) in my sequence of front badges above, which sometime in 1982-83 reverts back to the pre-1976 format of chrome on black background, losing the red-silhouette-without-background style See this Feb 83 example (UUX 763Y) and maybe this "1985" B436 ECV (although nothing found on check sites so may not be reliable). - maybe even a final stage (g) badge - (bigger?) chrome griffin with no background - see "1985" C188 VUY (although again not quite a clean plate as DVLA says Date of first registration: December 1994, Year of manufacture: 1985) and this "1985" Turbo (B725 XOW) (Date of first registration: August 1999, Year of manufacture: 1985). A useful dated picture gallery at Graces Guides.
jcb ◊ 2018-11-26 07:39	Possibly the only site with an in depth discussion on TK indicator positioning Some research into the lower positioning -it first came to my notice in Peter Davies book on Bedfords. He mentions it in a caption using a picture of a TK tipper which he states was registered in Sept 71 , so this MAY be the start as changes often introduced after August factory breaks for the new 'season'. Now for some facts (possibly !) Bedford often had an advert on the front cover of the weekly issued Commercial Motor which are all on the net . Sometimes these photos are retouched and sometimes they show older models in service but I think we can take it that generally they would want to portray the current model. The last appearance of high indicators is 30th July 71 and the first appearance of low indicators is 10th Dec 71. The last appearance of low indicators is 23rd Feb 73 and first reappearance of high is 16th March 73. So the low indicators appeared between July/Dec 71 and were back to high between Feb/March 73. -- Last edit: 2018-11-26 08:32:32
jcb ◊ 2018-11-26 07:56	These are the four low indicator issues, Dec 71, Oct 72, Dec 72 and Feb 73 ( as an aside the tubular metal grille guard sported by Goldenlay and Acme trucks was an optional extra and no guide to year) -- Last edit: 2018-11-26 08:04:59
jcb ◊ 2018-11-26 08:22	First appearance on front cover advert of CM for of new rectangular 'choc ice' indicators 12th Dec 69 last advert for circular 'Lollipop' indicators 6th June 69 but it shows a 'used' 67/68 truck RXE968F. -- Last edit: 2018-11-26 08:28:29
Sunbar ◊ 2018-11-26 13:16	1976 - griffin badge on front panel switched from chrome with black background to red silhouette. There appears to be two causes for this change. Firstly the TM was introduced with the same red silhouette badge in September 1974 and Vauxhall cars had a smaller griffin badge briefly about two years I think (1975-ish) rather than Vauxhall in letters on the rear panel. Secondly the badge on the trucks had the model designation/gvw underneath the griffin; the models being TK570, TK750, etc up-to TK1630. I cannot find currently when these model names were added but September 1975 for the red silhouette badge seems likely. I can see no reason why the badge would flip back briefly to the earlier design (1983-1985) and would suspect its a result of the dodgy restoration. Unless (and I think it unlikely) it was as a result of the end of production and the duplication of models with the TL, making it something like a TK 'Classic'? Likewise I think the fully chromed badge is just missing the red paint infill after restoration. I think I see that a few of the badges are set at slightly different heights in the Graces Guide pictures; also unlikely in production with the hole piercings, as they would be set in the factory tooling. -- Last edit: 2018-11-26 13:18:40
dsl ◊ 2018-11-26 15:07	Progress report in case I'm doing anything anyone objects to. Am looking at different bits of the TK collection to clean them up/resolve things highlighted here and testing info against examples. Will keep dabbling at it until I get .... um .... TK Max'd. So far: - earliest "1964" mirrors found so far seems to be this August 63 plate so sticking with 1964 - all 1968 choc-ices corrected to 1969 (or later where applicable) - all low-level choc-ices entered as 1972 (I think 5 so far - have started a list a few comments above. I'd expect we have more, but haven't really started digging). Which leaves a question about the crowd of high levels currently entered as 1972 - should they become 1973?? A block update wouldn't be successful, so manual correction needed. Are we happy that low-level was the only format from late 71 to spring 73 as jcb's analysis above?? - am removing/amending/replacing several comments that TK started in 1958 or 1959, and some other later date changes as the simplest way of eradicating fake info someone might stumble on and start reusing in the future - odd discoveries (i) some Danish delivery trucks (Tuborg beer and others) with no whiskers, but lollipops on extra-long stalks - entering as 1968 - odd discoveries (ii) a couple of Italian finds without whiskers, but lollipops on normal stalks - assuming a unique-for-I format and entering as 1968 - /vehicle.php?id=339511 , /vehicle.php?id=57693 - odd discoveries (iii) a couple of cake-slice indicators so far in clearly non-UK situations and likely to be strange local builds - HK and probably Bangladesh from the imdb details of that episode - odd discoveries (iv) a Turkish build badged as Genoto and apparently called KBC-10 - so far unique.
jcb ◊ 2018-11-27 08:18	dsl wrote Are we happy that low-level was the only format from late 71 to spring 73 as jcb's analysis above?? If it was to satisfy some future UK law I can't see why they would not be all so fitted , maybe export models differ , but it would seem a faff on production line ! One thing with trucks is due to body builders lead in times they are often registered much later than production. -- Last edit: 2018-11-27 08:25:14
dsl ◊ 2018-11-27 22:51	I think I've now looked at every TK, and adjusted/questioned everything along the lines suggested above. So we should be fairly consistent now across them all. Some small queries: (i) am not quite sure all the 1962/63/64 mirror changes are totally resolved. Was there only one change or 2 close together - I'm slightly confused from the descriptions and comments. (ii) there seems to be a definite group without whiskers but still with lollipops, which are all now labelled 1968 - is this OK? (it's more than just the made-for-I pair identified above) (iii) we probably need a decision about low level choc-ices and whether they were the only format from end 71 to early 73. We have less than 10 low levels, which is less than I'd expect, but it includes a French example so was not an exclusive UK format. At the moment we have several "1972" high levels which may be better as 1973?? Observations - I think every "cake-slice" indicator is local build - HK and somewhere in or near India/Bangladesh - and we don't have many. None spotted in UK, Europe, Aus, NZ. - nothing found in our collection to suggest 1983+ front badges deviated from the red silhouette, but we've got pretty well nothing useful after 1980 to resolve it either way. - fascinating to note how many TKs we've got through the years in all the Scandinavian countries, France and CH. Didn't realise TK was so popular so widely.
Sunbar ◊ 2018-11-30 12:06	JCB wrote Looking at photos 1969 seems to be the crossover year. Briefly in 1972 they were mounted lower down near headlamps due to anticipated legislation that did not happen but made them easily damaged. https://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p367630089/h22759ce5#h22759ce5 Bedford KM'S had them as standard from intro in 66. A CM cover from 28th-april-1972. Judged by a CM cover they had them lower at about the same time as the TK, the lower mounted combined side/turn signal lights applied also to the KM. As seen here on a preserved KM with them mounted by the headlamps As a side issue the Leyland G-series cab did something very similar as the same time or slightly later but the other way around. They had some models with simlar (or the same side/turn signals?) mounted mostly lower down but a few were mounted higher like the TKs. Leyland Reiver https://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p844532899/h47245bc8#h1c92ec67 https://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p844532899/h47245bc8#h47245bc8 Leyland Terrier https://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p579551090/h2b134862#h2b134862 https://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p579551090/h2b134862#h37ea18d7 -- Last edit: 2018-11-30 12:10:17

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