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Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-07-16 19:42	Defilada at IMPDb Kim Il-sung birthplace and the tree, on which he climbed as a kid, to catch the rainbow: Some dummies of vehicles seen at the title parade: -- Last edit: 2012-05-29 21:55:54
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2011-07-16 19:47	This photo guide to North Korean-made vehicles might be helpful: http://picasaweb.google.com/birgit1401/DprkAutomobiles#
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-07-16 20:05	Yes, you posted this link already once, I saw it - and indeed it was helpful, thanks. -- Last edit: 2011-07-16 20:05:38
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-16 21:37	@sixcyl: Are you maybe interested to visit a destination, where sixcyl wrote ... a global revolution is NEEDED! is already finished? It's recommended to see the social development it with own eyes, not only from the own comfortable living room. Seriously, it has a kind of fascination for me, recently I got more books about it. I really would like to travel there. So I'm still looking for a travel companion. Neither my wife, friends, fellows, colleagues, noone want to join me -- Last edit: 2011-07-16 21:37:23
Nightrider ◊ 2011-07-16 21:58	Why? Nobody wants to visit North?
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-16 22:02	No. I'm all alone.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-07-16 22:10	Well...maybe someone from imcdb...
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-07-16 22:11	I can.
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-16 22:26	Nice But this year I cannot reach it (to get a Visa, takes some months anyways). But sixcyl should come with us. There he can see, where's he looking for. As you are in the film-business, maybe it's an idea for a little roadmovie. IMCDb contains so many films - but none about IMCDb itself
Sandie ◊ 2011-07-16 23:53	I'd be interested to visit the North too. In fact I really ought to put it on my bucket list.
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-17 00:03	This would be great - and despite the unique personal experiences, I'm sure we would erect a historical milestone! The first Internet-forum ever, whose users-meeting will be hold in North Korea
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-17 00:05	P.S. The year is wrong! Not 1989! It has to be "Juche 77"! Would an admin please change it?
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-07-17 00:09	ingo wrote The first Internet-forum ever, whose users-meeting will be hold in North Korea With all photographs confiscated. ingo wrote Nice But this year I cannot reach it (to get a Visa, takes some months anyways). No need to hurry we will wait, maybe more people will be interested (please place your names here, like Sandie) more of us, means lower costs for example if we would like to rent a Sungri. -- Last edit: 2011-07-17 00:09:40
Sandie ◊ 2011-07-17 00:10	British company offering group tours to North Korea: http://lupinetravel.co.uk/north-korea-holidays-and-tours.html
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-17 00:15	Weasel1984 wrote With all photographs confiscated. Naah, that shouldn't be a too big problem, as the rules aren't varying much from that ones in the DDR. The pics on digital cameras will be checked at arrival and departure - but with a bit dextery with the handling of different memory cards and -chips...
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-17 00:23	Weasel1984 wrote means lower costs for example if we would like to rent a Sungri. Sorry, but the DPRK is one of the few countries on the world, where tourists aren't allowed to drive by their own. Driver and guide are always included. The guys, who wrote books about their trips (I already own all in German language), were transported either in a "Cuckoo" or a Landcruiser with a different badge (that guy couldn't find out, if only the badge was replaced or it it was a real DPRK-assembled car. We should try to get one of the legendary 1000 1977' Volvo 244 (which weren't paid until now) The Mercedes 190-copy is not recommended, because absolute junk, as I read in Link to "www.amazon.de" , written by HIS fled purchaser.
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-17 00:27	Sandie wrote British company offering group tours to North Korea: http://lupinetravel.co.uk/north-korea-holidays-and-tours.html Really not expensive. I've thought, it would be more. O.k., you have to add the costs of the flight. In every case you have to go to Beijing first, as the only access is from China. Passing the border from South Korea is unthinkable, also no possibility for enterin via Russia. Taking the ferry from Japan is not possible for foreigners. -- Last edit: 2011-07-17 00:28:30
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2011-07-17 00:44	@ingo: Another tour company for you: http://www.koryogroup.com/ And some blogs: http://www.nkeconwatch.com/ http://www.northkoreatech.org/ http://nordkoreainfo.wordpress.com/ http://38north.org/ http://adamcathcart.wordpress.com/ P.S. IIRC, the Japanese government imposed a ban on North Korean ships after the last nuclear test. -- Last edit: 2011-07-17 00:46:16
Gomselmash11 ◊ 2011-07-17 18:03	Incredible, travels to the DPRK
Lateef ◊ 2011-07-17 18:07	Weasel1984 wrote maybe more people will be interested (please place your names here, I certainly would like to go, too. Mainly to see the Ryugyong pyramid .. and to point and laugh at the poor devils - save that last request for some other time ...
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-17 22:32	Do you want to wait, until you can check in there? Can be take annother little while http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel @Gomsel: why not? The chance to see something really bizarre.
sixcyl ◊ 2011-07-17 22:49	ingo wrote @sixcyl: Are you maybe interested to visit a destination, where is already finished? It's recommended to see the social development it with own eyes, not only from the own comfortable living room. Seriously, it has a kind of fascination for me, recently I got more books about it. I really would like to travel there. So I'm still looking for a travel companion. Neither my wife, friends, fellows, colleagues, noone want to join me Always the same "blablabla" from the right conservative wing ...remember TINA of this poor miss Maggie Thatcher! TINA = THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE!!!!! ... Either it's "WE" the good , fair, free capitalist world if not it's the dictature like North Korea!!! as you can't make such a choice ...there is no alternative! .... ah ah ah ah!!
Sandie ◊ 2011-07-17 23:35	The good thing is that if three or four of us go we won't get ronery.
dsl ◊ 2011-07-17 23:38	But you might all get captured and imprisoned in the rooney asyrum.
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-18 13:27	sixcyl wrote Always the same "blablabla" from the right conservative wing ... Sorry, if you are meaning me, you are wrong. They didn't get my votes.
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-18 13:31	dsl wrote But you might all get captured and imprisoned For what infringements? I'm never involved in anything like this. O.k., except provoking off-topic-discussions (in the admin's eyes) around here... Otherwise I'm not really sure, if in Antoine's opinion it's a delict, which is appropriate avenged with a stay in a North Korean punishment camp. But seriously the DPRK is a muich safer travel-destination than sixcyl's beloved Chavez-Venezuela. The German ministery for foreign affarirs has even published a warning about this country, because of the very common criminality. Otherwise I would have asked sixcyl, if he maybe has an interest to watch, how it's going on there. And Gomselmash, if he would join us, especially for helping with translation. -- Last edit: 2011-07-18 16:01:23
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-07-18 13:33	ingo wrote the DPRK is one of the few countries on the world, where tourists aren't allowed to drive by their own... Indeed and you also get two "guards" (at least two). BTW didn't know we have so "extraordinary" site about North Korea with video links to their newest TV news and translated (e)books of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il. With help of Google translator, maybe someone will find it interesting. Me not especially. http://www.krld.pl/krld/index -- Last edit: 2011-07-18 13:42:26
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-18 14:17	Yes, you get always two guards, sometimes a driver extra. It's mandatory, because the guides have to control each other, too. Here a pic, but unfortunately only badge and plate of the "Cuckoo": Shall we throw a coin before, who of us is responsible for the flowers here Link to "de.wikipedia.org" Everyone, also foreign tourists, has to put flowers there (costs 5 € extra). A refusal makes the guides very upset and will causes cramped moods.
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-24 23:38	Two hours ago I got a call from my Japanese friend and among other things we had also talked about North Korea and its cars (Hiroshi cannot join a DPRK-trip, as in Japanese passports it's remarked "for all countries except North Korea ). His familiy has connections to the Port of Yokohama Authority, so he could tell me a some details, for example about the http://picasaweb.google.com/birgit1401/DprkAutomobiles#5273452398354155810 Not all W201 there were locally assembled, resp.copied. In 1984 or 1985 500 orignal 190 E were ordered at Yanase, all identical (LHD, 2.0 liter fuel engine, manual transmission, no aircondition, no power windows, lowest trim line). They were ordered in Japan, because a direct delivery from Germany was not legal/possible. Since a few days a new model appeared in the DPRK: the actual VW Jetta. Just last week 100, maybe 200 (all LHD) were shipped from Yokohama to an officially unknown destination, but insiders have said, to North Korea.
dsl ◊ 2011-07-24 23:51	ingo wrote Port of Yokohama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPrBa_my1vc (from an excellent CD and band who received sponsorship from the NATO Arts fund http://www.natoarts.com/icebreaker/ - no I don't understand it either).
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2011-07-25 01:02	@ingo: Japan has banned car exports to North Korea: http://www.nkeconwatch.com/2011/02/13/pyongyangs-overseas-business-agents/ A man was arrested in Tokyo in June for smuggling used to cars to North Korea via South Korea, with false paperwork claiming that they were for the Indian embassy in Pyongyang: Link to "www.nkeconwatch.com" I wonder if the "officially unknown destination" for the Jettas might be Burma/Myanmar, where most cars are imported secondhand from Japan even though traffic drives on the right. -- Last edit: 2011-07-25 12:43:59
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-25 14:29	Gag Halfrunt wrote @ingo: Japan has banned car exports to North Korea Yes, Hiroshi has said that, too - but he also pointed out, that non-official, resp. illegal things are still going on. And that wide parts of the Japanese twilight-economy and underworld were tightly hold by North Korean hands.
Ingo ◊ 2011-07-25 14:30	P.S. A about stolen cars in Japan: Cambodia became a large market for them in the last years.
Ingo ◊ 2011-11-29 22:12	@Lateef, @Weasel1984, @Sandie: The preparation is going on. In our mind is for October Juche 100 the http://www.koryogroup.com/tours/individualtours.html 7-nights-standard-trip
Gomselmash11 ◊ 2011-11-29 23:36	Another discussion for the world order? go to the right...
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-12-05 15:30	@Ingo You really plan this, I see. :P But, sorry, I'm not expert, but it seems October Juche 100 ended about month ago. Or am I wrong?
Lateef ◊ 2011-12-05 15:38	Gomselmash11 wrote go to the right... NEVER!
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-12-05 15:44	Yes, as it indeed does not - unfortunately. -- Last edit: 2011-12-05 15:44:51
Lateef ◊ 2011-12-05 15:49	I'm sticking to the middle, though. One thing is for certain, though, I will not proceed one more inch to the right. Not to the left either, for that matter. Still, I consider myself a liberalist. -- Last edit: 2011-12-05 15:57:52
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-12-05 16:00	Lateef wrote I consider myself a liberalist. And this is where this world really goes.
Gomselmash11 ◊ 2011-12-10 18:16	Lateef wrote NEVER! Never? never say never... and who interested in the "middle"?
dsl ◊ 2011-12-10 18:59	Gomselmash11 wrote ... and who interested in the "middle"? After 30+ years of right-of-centre government in UK, even the "middle" would be an improvement.
Ingo ◊ 2011-12-10 19:04	In fact all these "classic" classifications of "right", "left" and the "liberal middle" is softened in the last years. Even an guesstimate will often fail.
Sandie ◊ 2011-12-10 19:05	Thatcher, centre right? Compared to whom? Attila the Hun? If you think about it, just about every major government in Europe is to the middle be it centre right or centre left. If Lateef keeps up his 'third way' stance a career in politics beckons. Being in the middle wins votes. It just helps if you don't have any guiding principles to get in the way of that.
dsl ◊ 2011-12-10 19:08	Sandie wrote Being in the middle wins votes. In UK pretending to be in the middle works even better.
Ingo ◊ 2011-12-10 19:11	The problem is, that "the middle" is a chimera, as there is no real definition of it. And in every country, even in local parts of the countries, everyone has a different opinion, what it shall be.
Ingo ◊ 2011-12-10 19:20	Sandie wrote If Lateef keeps up his 'third way' In Germany the "third way" is an absolute no-go. This term was used in the 80ies for -total unrealistic- crazy ideas to create a mongrel of the West German and the DDR-systems, in political, social and ecnomomic ways. Fortunately these absurd thinkings were paralysed very fast, within a few weeks in early 1990. Annother -also failed- "third way" ws made by Yugoslavia's Marshall Tito, trying to be independent between the Western and the Eastern blocks. Fidel Castro had this idea, too, but the harsh US-behaviour has pushed him into the Sovietish arms. Enver Hoxha's Albania tried an own "third way", too, maneuvring between the USSR and China.
Ingo ◊ 2011-12-10 19:25	Maybe yesterday the starting pistol was fired for a new "third way"-creation - Britain oscillating between Europe and America.
dsl ◊ 2011-12-10 19:26	Blair said UK was going to get a "third way" but it was Thatcherism sprinkled with just enough token gestures to keep the pretence going for traditional Labour voters.
Sandie ◊ 2011-12-10 19:45	ingo wrote Maybe yesterday the starting pistol was fired for a new "third way"-creation - Britain oscillating between Europe and America. Was it ever not that way? We've always tended to have this kind of attitude towards the EU. We're in it for what we can get rather than what we put in and if something is not to our benefit then we're not interested. From Mrs. Thatcher's rebate to Cameron's veto yesterday morning we have always done that. We want the free trading zone but none of the aspects of the ever closer union. Then we have our supposed 'special relationship' with the yanks. As in, we do whatever they ask of us. That said, for good or for ill, I think Cameron has a bit more backbone than Blair did. dsl wrote Blair said UK was going to get a "third way" but it was Thatcherism sprinkled with just enough token gestures to keep the pretence going for traditional Labour voters. That was always my issue with him. The man was an ideological black hole. Completely bereft of any of the left wing guiding ideological principles he claimed to stand for. The problem is that they have the same issue now with Ed Milliband and some of them continue to believe in the myth of people like him standing for genuine working class values and helping the people rather than himself. Only Milliband lacks the charisma of Blair. See his vacillation over backing the public sector strikes a few weeks back where he completely avoided backing them. If he had any belief in the party's traditional background (or indeed any political intelligence) he would have backed them and made some easy political capital out of the coalition and the strikes. And Clegg and Cameron are not any better. -- Last edit: 2011-12-10 19:47:15
dsl ◊ 2011-12-10 20:17	@sandie - agree with both those comments. But what is wrong with the European Free Trade Area as a concept and as the appropriate level for Britain to participate? What EU seems to be doing now is destroying individual national abilities to manage or steer their own economies in a desperate attempt to save the euro, which may be an inevitable consequence of that objective, but in long-term too inflexible for national government. EU has become far too controlling an influence and has stopped being a member-driven organisation. And that's what worries me about Scottish independence - we've been marginalised enough within UK for an escape route to be well worth pursuing, but if that route out means surrendering direction to EU collectivism then the outcome may be worse marginalisation from actually being able to steer the new Scotland in its best direction.
Gomselmash11 ◊ 2011-12-11 05:44	Here, these "third way" with Perón in the 40's & 50's was a failure and finished with the "Revolución libertadora". I agree with ingo, "the middle" it's relative, indeed no exists a real definition.
Sandie ◊ 2011-12-19 14:43	I wonder if there will be any reforms in light of dear leader's death?
Ingo ◊ 2011-12-22 01:04	Hopefully not, before my fellow and me have visited this fascinating unique place on earth The very most dictarioal regimes felt in dusty pieces, after their leaders disappeared. Then it would become a boring destination for travelling. But as it's said in the actual news, it seems, that the military will have the new leader strongly embedded in its embrace, so noth much will be changed too fast. So not as the DDR, which was crumbled and paralysed totally after a few months.
Ingo ◊ 2011-12-22 01:19	Weasel1984 wrote @Ingo You really plan this, I see. :P Yes, we will continue, as we have decided yesterday. But despite the actual progress, I will ask for a visa not before summer. In March I have to go to Florida (at request of my parents-in-law, who want to go there, but are afraid to make the trip alone with their lack of fluent English), and I want to avoid useless discussions with the blokes of the US-Secretary of Homeland Security, which I will have for sure with a DPRK-visa in my passport A propos: as the second of my three classic watches http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/img0291wa.jpg/ has lost its power today, I've bought a new one this night. Fortunately it's still available on eBay For sure I will wear it, when I'll pass the security controls
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