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Animatronixx ◊ 2008-01-07 14:06	Doesn´t anybody have this movie? There are many interesting cars included and it´s really worth listing it here. I just saw the movie on TV a while ago and recalled that we (= the company I worked for) supplied a pink 1956 Cadillac Sedan de Ville and several requisites for the filming back then.
Alexander ◊ 2008-01-07 16:06	I have the DVD and will make captures as soon as possible.
Animatronixx ◊ 2008-01-07 17:09	Thanks.
carchasesfanatic ◊ 2008-01-07 21:06	There's a boring and bad chase in this one with a Capri that goes down a hill
Alexander ◊ 2008-01-09 01:11	Ford and Volkswagen police cars: A collection of Mercedes-Benz cars: The thugs: Confrontation: Police helicopter: Hughes 369D Wuppertaler Schwebebahn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwebebahn_Wuppertal
Alexander ◊ 2008-01-09 01:14	Tönz wrote Movie not complete, pics found on the Internet. Now it is complete. I leave some details (years, chassis codes, origin for all the Fords) for you to fill out. It's getting late.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-21 20:40	German police really use 20-year old cars?
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2011-04-21 20:59	You mean the Sierra full of bullet holes? It could have been only eleven years old (1986) at the time of filming - probably too old for a police car, but the film producers needed something cheap enough to destroy.
ingo ◊ 2011-04-21 21:20	Here they took used police cars for smashing, not some, which were still in official use. You can buy used police cars at local auctions. For the regular patrol duty the German police has always newer cars, in the last years more and more leasing cars, not all are owned by them. For non-daily use sometimes they have older stuff, Buses for example. The riding squad in Dortmund has a Mercedes LP, which is minimum 20 years old. A good picture-collection you can find here: http://www.polizeiautos.de/index_requ.php?artikel=map
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-21 21:30	ingo wrote more and more leasing cars, not all are owned by them. Why? Police became so poor, that can't even own a cars??
ingo ◊ 2011-04-21 21:40	It's cheaper for them. But indeed, yes, the German police has really money-problems. Sometimes they don't have enough fuel for their cars. And they have to clean their stations and offices by their own, as the budgets for scrubwomen were cancelled since long time. As a low-ranked cop you cannot getting rich here, but in higher positions the circumstances are better. Not only the police has leasing cars here - even the military Yes, the Bundeswehr has given away its own cars and vans in the last years and uses leased cars. For that reason, my wife and me had the luck to get our cars from there www.vebeg.de in 2004. Luck insofar, that bck then the Bundeswehr has sold newer cars in good condition, becaue all they must go out for the leasing cars. Normally they are offering only wrecks. The most common military cars in Germany are now Opel Vectra, Astra and Skoda Octavia, the most common van is the Mercedes Sprinter. And: all of them aren't olive any more. Silvermetallic or white, just with "Bundeswehr"-taping on the side.
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2011-04-21 21:40	It's supposed to be cheaper for the police. The leasing company takes care of fleet management and maintenance, and replaces the cars every couple of years.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-21 21:52	Even military? should we wait for leased tanks?
ingo ◊ 2011-04-21 21:57	Not a tank, but armoured, a goodie for a BMW-fan Link to "www.vebeg.de" ...or for an eccentric, who wants to get the politician-VIP-feeling.
Sandie ◊ 2011-04-21 21:58	It's great how they go to all that effort to make it bullet and bomb proof when a terrorist knows not to bother as it can be beaten easily by a winter's morning.
chicomarx ◊ 2011-04-21 22:58	An eccentric with deep pockets, that's one tired Beemer... 438,000K, broken instrument panel, upholstery "very worn", corrosion, accident damage...
cl82 ◊ 2011-04-21 23:10	Nevertheless, you have to appreciate that it's still running. 438K is a very high mileage for the 12-cylinder engine- most pack up far earlier.
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2011-04-21 23:31	What's more, amouring a car makes it much heavier and puts a lot of strain on the engine and suspension.
cl82 ◊ 2011-04-21 23:42	Exactly. The battered car from ingo's link weighs more than 3 tons-that's why I'm so surprised that the only things that seem to be working alright are engine, transmisson (both haven't been replaced so far) and suspension.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-22 17:46	BTW,for some strange reasons european 80s cars looks alot older in 90s than US 80s cars in 90s and that's why that Sierras and Passats so hurt my eyes... Ingo, have Bundeswehr ever use Mercedes O303 buses?
ingo ◊ 2011-04-22 17:54	Sure, a lot. AFAIK more O303 than Setras, they had both. Link to "www.bus-bild.de" Link to "commons.wikimedia.org" Here the Bundeswehr-vehicle-range is quite completely listed: Link to "www.amazon.de" But not really complete - nothing about the K 70, of which at least 2 were used by the Bundeswehr One Marine-Admiral in Flensburg-Mürwik has hold his K 70 up to the mid 80ies. Unfortunately not even one pic is known After the unification in 1990, the Bundeswehr has kept some vehicles from the DDR-military for some years. The Soviet made trucks were discarded very soon, because of their extreme high fuel consumption. In that times I made my military service (as one of the very last soldiers of the old Cold War-Bundeswehr drafted for the 1.7.1990) and I remember one scene from October 1990. Two former NVA-staff-sergeants (after 35 years enmity, messmates since a few days) have visited my unity. The drove a /vehicle_58305-Trabant-601-A-P601-1975.html , still with the "VA"-numberplates, where the DDR-coat of arms was overpainted with white colour, the same colour, which was taken for the handmade "Bundeswehr"-lettering on the side -- Last edit: 2011-04-22 18:13:55
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-22 18:09	Nothing special about them, except olive color?
ingo ◊ 2011-04-22 18:16	AFAIK nothing important, except cheaper, olive-green plastic-seat-coverings. And -for sure- no comfort-extra-options.
ingo ◊ 2011-04-22 18:18	P.S. I someone is interested on that mentioned book: it's not necessary to spent that much money at Amazon. I've already seen it downpriced on a bookshop's rummage table.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-22 18:38	http://fotobus.msk.ru/vehicle/93200/#n25006 That's the reason for my question. Still running around...
ingo ◊ 2011-04-22 18:56	Not unusual, a lot of used Bundeswehr- and other authorities-vehicles (sold here: www.vebeg.de ) were bought by export-dealers (as at least over 90% of any buses and trucks on German roads - locally wrecked were only a handful) and shipped to Russia, Near East and Africa. The big advantage of Bundeswehr-cars, -vans, -trucks and -buses is, that since the early 80ies there is the rule "One Army - one sort of fuel", so all have Diesel-engines, which are very popular for the export-dealers. And all cars had to be four-door. The last two-door-cars in military use, I can remember from my service-time, were two left over 1977 VW Käfer of the medical unit and the two-door 1981-VW Passat [32B] of the military-priest. When I've picked my all-day-Omega B, bought in 2004 at the VEBEG, from its garrison (the headquarter in Berlin-Tegel ) the first sergeant, who gave me the keys and the papers, said "It's unusual, that a local private person takes our old cars. Normally dealers are picking them up, not only one, always they load up complete trucks". In Moscow and St.Petersburg I've seen a really lot of them: /vehicle.php?id=105614&l=de and http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/6/4/7/9/6/2/2d05ee7c31cf6561.jpg obviously really popular in Russia. From the sightseeing-bus I've seen, that the import-dealer sits nearby the big sports-stadium, on the way to the Lomonossov University -- Last edit: 2011-04-22 19:01:06
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-22 19:03	You were in Moscow?
ingo ◊ 2011-04-22 19:08	For a one-week-trip in Feb 2005 to Moscow and St.Petersburg. In Moscow we slept on the icebound "MS Konstantin Fedin", in St.Petersburg in the Hotel Ochtinskaya.
ingo ◊ 2011-04-22 19:40	Nightrider wrote http://fotobus.msk.ru/vehicle/93200/#n25006 That's the reason for my question. Still running around... It's the bus of my former unit!!! To identify by the tactical sign above the left front lamp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Military_Symbols_for_Land_Based_Systems -- Last edit: 2011-04-22 19:40:25
dsl ◊ 2011-04-22 19:46	Nightrider wrote You were in Moscow? Yes - very rural and quiet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_Scotland - is there a second one anywhere? -- Last edit: 2011-04-22 19:48:57
chicomarx ◊ 2011-04-22 19:49	Yes, the main one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscou_%28Ghent%29
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-22 19:51	ingo wrote It's the bus of my former unit!!! To identify by the tactical sign above the left front lamp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Military_Symbols_for_Land_Based_Systems OMG...OMG...and WTF too. Did you use to ride in it?
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-22 19:55	dsl wrote Yes - very rural and quiet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_Scotland - is there a second one anywhere? I would prefer that one. Haven't you heard a sad joke about Moscow Republic, sovereign of Russian federation?
ingo ◊ 2011-04-23 14:29	@Nightrider: no, at the two trips to shooting ranges outside at my time, we took rented coaches, because the own buses were used by annother unit. A propos shooting ranges: every car-interested Bundeswehr-rookie was interested to visit the area of Ehra-Lessien (a small village nearby Wolfsburg) - the direct neighbour of the hyper-secret Volkswagen test-court For sure everyones tried to come close and have some hidden looks - but you always failed VW had planted forests and bushes all around, that there is no possibility to watch in from the outside. In the nights you even cannot see the headlights, only the engines are to hear. So for prototype-spotting, you must go in the wintertime up to the farest North, to Lapland. Or in the summertime to the Death Valley. There you'll have better chances than there. Where I live, I can see sometimes Mercedes-prototypes, on their way on the A31 to their test-range in Papenburg (far Northwest, at the Dutch border).
3loader ◊ 2011-04-23 15:43	Nightrider wrote I would prefer that one. Haven't you heard a sad joke about Moscow Republic, sovereign of Russian federation? Comon! Don't blame Moscow in all that crap happened in last 20 years of "freedom". Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin weren't from Moscow.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-04-23 17:52	3loader wrote Comon! Don't blame Moscow in all that crap happened in last 20 years of "freedom". Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin weren't from Moscow. I'm not blaming city itself or Moscow people, but center of state.
cl82 ◊ 2011-04-23 21:26	@ingo: Here in Tübingen where I live at the moment I see MB-"Erlkönige" almost on a daily basis(Sindelfingen is not too far away, after all), currently mostly hideous SUVs. Always dark-grey, always with "FR" numberplates.
ingo ◊ 2011-04-23 21:35	So always have your camera by hand, maybe you can earn some money with selling them Think about the guy, who was so smart to snap his chance here: /vehicle_2423-Mercedes-Benz-E-500-W211-2002.html P.S. The prototypes, me and my wife have seen on "our" Autobahn, have also FB-plates. But BB and S, too. -- Last edit: 2011-04-23 21:36:41

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