Class: Cars, Limousine — Model origin:
01:00:49 Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2014-10-05 13:38 |
A Rolls-Royce, this? I would have bet on a German limousine. |
◊ 2014-10-05 14:47 |
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◊ 2014-10-05 15:12 |
Ah, pardon ! C'est la voiture de la dame aux chiens, n'est-ce pas ? The Lady with the dogs' car, isn't it? |
◊ 2014-10-05 15:59 |
Royces in this era did not build any bodywork. The first owner would order a chassis to be delivered to the coachbuilder of his choice, who would then provide bodywork after consultation with the customer. If the chassis was ordered by a German customer and a German Coachworks used, the result would look like a typically German product until you saw the radiator. Who did this? Only a guess, but maybe looks like a Spohn body found on Maybachs of the period. -- Last edit: 2014-10-05 17:21:39 |
◊ 2014-10-05 19:09 |
Like this one?? |
◊ 2014-10-05 19:47 |
Ts-ts-ts, dsl, don't mess with this strange and beautiful Duvivier's movie. Et John (from Staffs), thanks for saving my face! |
◊ 2014-10-05 22:12 |
You are welcome. Perhaps a timeline would help:- Up to 1939, no R-R or Bentley factory bodies built. The nearest they got was the Park Ward bodies on the smaller Royces or the Bentley cars, these bodies were recommended by the company as suitable for their chassis. 1946 onwards, the Mk VI Bentley "Standard Steel Saloon" was the first body fitted by the company to its chassis, and about 80% of the cars were that way, but fewer Royces, but as time moved on the coach built body reduced in numbers, until by the late 70s they were virtually gone. Those cars using a coachbuilder's name after this usually means finish or trim only. That's why I bang on about "Standard Steel Saloon" on the post WWII cars to distinguish them from the coach built ones. -- Last edit: 2014-10-05 22:19:23 |
◊ 2014-10-06 14:59 |
Certainly has a Teutonic air to it, but the coachbuilder happens to be Czech: a Phantom 20 HP 1929, rebodied by Sodomka in 1938. |
◊ 2014-10-06 16:43 |
Köszönöm szépen, fortengo. (Et merci Google-trad.) |
◊ 2014-10-06 16:50 |
Is Phantom 20 h.p. correct naming? I know that's the description in Fortengo's link, but it's our first one - Phantom I instead?? |
◊ 2014-10-06 16:55 |
Zis I cannot say, dsl, me only waiting patiently for the experts' verdict. |
◊ 2014-10-06 18:13 |
It can either be a Phantom, or it can be a 20, not both. That would be like saying it's a Passat Polo. I have read the link and it looks to be a 20 HP. Good work on finding the coachbuilder. -- Last edit: 2014-10-06 18:19:05 |
◊ 2014-10-06 18:17 |
Doesn't the châssis number give any solid clue? (Well, the linked paper gives two different numbers, one in the title and the other twice or three times in the body of the article…) -- Last edit: 2014-10-06 18:20:35 |
◊ 2014-10-06 18:23 |
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17257/lot/229/ This is another GFN Series chassis and it's a 20 HP. |
◊ 2014-10-06 18:25 |
All right, then. And I prefer your HP (in capitals) to the local "h.p.". What are the habits in the specialized publications? H.P., HP, h.p.? |
◊ 2014-10-06 18:29 |
(Look! IMCDb is relevantly linked at the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Twenty !) |
◊ 2014-10-06 20:55 |
Perhaps lower case is more correct, but times change and the use of the "horse power" in this context is becoming old fashioned, in fact probably not recognised by the younger generation, so I used upper case to make it more noticeable. The term only describes the size of the engine and not its power output. The Ghost and the Phantom I were 40/50 HP. -- Last edit: 2014-10-06 20:57:18 |
◊ 2014-10-06 21:08 |
Same for 'us' with CV —"chevaux-vapeur", horse power— which should have describe power but was popularized in designating displacement, hence tax ranking for the car. But I don't know if the owner of a 4CV was five time less taxed than the one of this Sedanca de Ville (what a name!). -- Last edit: 2014-10-06 21:08:46 |
◊ 2014-10-07 16:51 |
There was some sort of relationship between the HP and the CV, the Citroen Traction Avant with the 1911 cc engine being a Fifteen here and Onze CV in France. Up to about 1950 the annual road tax was £1 per HP, which may not sound a lot now, but was enough to make people think about buying a Ten instead of a Fourteen. This was replaced by a flat rate for all cars which started at £12 10shillings per year (£12.50), but soon started to increase. -- Last edit: 2014-10-07 16:55:54 |
◊ 2019-08-04 23:40 |
The website linked here by ''fortengo''...https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_745584-Rolls-Royce-20-hp-GFN79-1929.html#Comment1656032 has a typo within the title description. It says the chassis number is GFN 23 and this has carried over to another website so confusion is understanable. The correct number is of course GFN 79, a very late (1928-29 chassis which originally had vertical grille shutters). 20 H.P., 20/25 H.P. and 25/30 H.P. cars are generally accepted as the 'Baby' series and can not be mixed with the Phantom I, II and III cars as these have a 40/50 H.P. rated engine size. |