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1958 Opel Rekord [P]

1958 Opel Rekord [P] in Tatort - Taxi nach Leipzig, Movie made for TV, 1970

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin:

1958 Opel Rekord [P]

Background vehicle

Comments about this vehicle

Author	Message
Ralph ◊ 2006-11-29 02:00	Background vehicle near Leipzig
fintail ◊ 2006-11-29 02:13	Opel Rekord? Or Olympia? ca. 1958 -- Last edit: 2006-11-29 02:13:20
Hiergehts ◊ 2006-11-29 04:54	Yes, 1957-60 Opel Olympia Rekord P1 : http://www.philseed.com/images/oprekp1-a.jpg
DAF555 ◊ 2006-11-29 09:31	1958-60 Opel Rekord [P] Introduced late summer -57, modelyear 1958. -- Last edit: 2006-11-29 09:53:20
Ralph ◊ 2006-11-29 10:37	This is a german and not a US car. And in Germany we take the oldest date, not a date from the next year. :-) This is a 1957 Opel http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Rekord_P1
DAF555 ◊ 2006-11-29 11:24	Ralph wrote This is a german and not a US car. And in Germany we take the oldest date, not a date from the next year. :-) This is a 1957 Opel http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Rekord_P1 Well, even in Germany the term Modelljahr is known: So I think if you asked the customers of the time, they would say that they bought a 1958 car even if they had delivery in september -57. The yearfield we have here is meant for Modelyear, even if it states only Year. I´ve put down some thoughts and suggestions on the subject at the forum: Link to "forum.imcdb.org"
Ralph ◊ 2006-11-29 13:00	1957 Jeder Opel Sammler spricht beim P3 vom '57 Rekord. Die aeltesten P3 haben 1957 in ihren Papieren stehen. Da musst du jetzt nicht, nur weil das vielleicht in Schweden so ueblich ist, aus einem 57er ein 58er Auto machen. Ich moechte dich auch bitten bei den anderen P3 die du offenbar umdatiert hast das wieder Rueckgaengig zu machen.
DAF555 ◊ 2006-11-29 13:23	Ralph wrote 1957 Jeder Opel Sammler spricht beim P3 vom '57 Rekord. Die aeltesten P3 haben 1957 in ihren Papieren stehen. Da musst du jetzt nicht, nur weil das vielleicht in Schweden so ueblich ist, aus einem 57er ein 58er Auto machen. Ich moechte dich auch bitten bei den anderen P3 die du offenbar umdatiert hast das wieder Rueckgaengig zu machen. Arguments about this leads nowhere, that´s why I suggested some changes on the subject. Did you bother to read it? You´re probably right about that the oldest cars of this kind stand as 1957 in the german registry under the term Baujahr, buildingyear, that´s not the same thing. Vehicle registrys often don´t care about else than year of manufacture. It´s evident that the term modelljahr was used even if you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
jplemoine ◊ 2006-11-29 13:32	Bébert! Sixcyl! Venez vite voir! Y en a d'autres!!!! -- Last edit: 2006-11-29 13:37:51
bref ◊ 2006-11-29 13:34	Ah, je prend mon fauteuil et m'installe confortablement pour écouter cette saga qui s'annonce...passionnante
Bebert ◊ 2006-11-29 15:48	Ben, pour une fois que je ne suis pas acteur... Moi aussi, je m'installe! Sixcyl, si tu passes par là, apporte de la bière, (une Gueuze, pour moi, stp) j'ai pris des bretzels!!! Nota bene: Quelque part, ça me rassure d'en voir d'autres ferrailler...
DAF555 ◊ 2006-11-29 16:03	Well you can sit there in your sofas and laugh! I´ll be happy to bring your beers too, maybe not the right brand but I´ll try. But I´d be happy to hear some constructive thoughts on the basic issue, years and how to regard them. This "conflict" is in a dead end. Neither view is wrong and both can´t be squeezed into one field as we have it now. So when you´ve stopped giggling, would you please share your thoughts
Bebert ◊ 2006-11-29 17:37	Thank's for the beer! I hope you'll drink with us. About the question, I'll answer on the topic in the forum...if I understand correctly the question...
DAF555 ◊ 2006-11-29 18:02	Bebert wrote Thank's for the beer! I hope you'll drink with us. Sure will, anytime
sixcyl ◊ 2006-11-29 18:27	... j'arrive avec les mousses! excusez si elles sont un peu secouées 6 Gueuzes 12 Leffes et 3 Krieks ...des "Mort-subite" bien-sûr ...ça s'impose ici! après on verra ... DAF555 wrote Well you can sit there in your sofas and laugh! I´ll be happy to bring your beers too, maybe not the right brand but I´ll try. ... it's nice to you Richard, you're wellcome! .. but don't forget that you do the show with Ralph this time DAF555 wrote ... would you please share your thoughts first of all: cheers! ...about this debate now I won't be very long, so excuse me if give my opinion here rather than on the forum. I agree with Richard, there is no truth and this question of modelyear/building year is just a convention! But it seems to me that most of the admins found agreement on the choice of using "Modelyear" for dating the models and not the Building date... so why should we change?
DAF555 ◊ 2006-11-29 20:27	I think both views carry equally vital information, but we need to make a distinction to avoid arguments and confusion of facts. Facts are that these Opels were introduced summer of -57 and production ran until summer of -60. Mostly it´s hard to see any external differencces of them, unless they have 4-doors or the 1700 badge in the rear. The latter ones are all of the last years production. So they were built during four different calendar years, but to the market they were available as three modelyears. 1958,1959 or 1960. Each modelyear might be identified from details, or maybe from the facts given by our national vehicle registrys. Be observant to what they state though. So by changing the status of our current field "Year" to "Modelyear" this feld can be used for either first possible MY or the correct one if it can be defined. More important of my suggestion is the addition of fields for the production years, this will of course satisfy the whish to be correct about when the car was first available. But I think the most important benefit of having this year range for production will come when, if possible, it is connected to our search function.
Ralph ◊ 2006-11-29 21:33	[quote=DAF555I think both views carry equally vital information, but we need to make a distinction to avoid arguments and confusion of facts. .[/quote] Du hast recht, es ist nicht so einfach You are right, it is not simply or easy. generally: I need the oldest first production-Year (December/59 = 1959) I love old cars :-) exception: US-Cars with 1-year production (1952 Chevrolet Styleline or somethings) Facelift model with "Modelyear" dating from Manufacturer or today's classification from Carclubs

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