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chicomarx ◊ 2013-07-27 00:06
chicomarx ◊ 2013-07-27 02:48	This is the not so splendored Zoppas-Splendor-Sinalco team. (1976 and one year only)
rjluna2 ◊ 2013-07-27 03:58	I guess ingo is busy at the moment
Ingo ◊ 2013-07-27 10:10	@rljuna2: well, I was sleeping at the time of the posting 1971 K 70 L in silbermetallic
Ingo ◊ 2013-07-27 10:16	chicomarx wrote This is the not so splendored Zoppas-Splendor-Sinalco team. (1976 and one year only) bicycles: - http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-558242.html (seems not existing any more) sponsors: - http://www.zoppas-industries.it/zoppas01/default_eng.html (correct?) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinalco
chicomarx ◊ 2013-07-27 20:02	Yes, many of the real bike manufacturers like Splendor and Flandria went out of business when people started buying their bikes at the supermarket. ingo wrote I was sleeping at the time of the posting That early? The Big T slept 4 hours a night and ran a country.
dsl ◊ 2013-07-27 21:17	.... badly.
Exiv96 ◊ 2013-07-28 10:22	ingo wrote sponsors: - http://www.zoppas-industries.it/zoppas01/default_eng.html (correct?) I believe it's that one : http://www.zoppas.it A brand of home electrical appliances. I think my grandfather owned a Zoppas fridge, or washing machine, back in the 1970s.
dsl ◊ 2013-07-28 16:59	I think my mum & dad's first dishwasher in late 70s was a Zoppas (well actually I was their first dish-washer - in those days forced child-labour was permitted).
Ingo ◊ 2013-07-28 18:27	dsl wrote - in those days forced child-labour was permitted). My parents had no success with that idea. My mum never had a dish washer, not even today, so I always told her: "Your fault. If you would have a dish washer, I can place the dirty stuff there high-titerly and meticulously - but no way that I wash up on the stone-age way." -- Last edit: 2013-07-28 18:28:51
Sandie ◊ 2013-08-06 02:08	I just watched the documentary 'Das Auto: The Germans, Their Cars and Us' and a K70 appears in stock footage in that at around 30-35minutes (they are talking about employee relations in Germany and show a happy German worker pulling into the car park in his K70). Unfortunately, I refuse to watch the programme again as it annoyed me greatly so somebody else will have to capture it if the doc is worth listing. It was a very 70s colour with twin round headlights.
chicomarx ◊ 2013-08-06 02:22	"It was all the unions fault" sums it up nicely. And I liked the condescending VW CEO at the end. "The Crewe plant proves there can be quality manufacturing in Great Britain." I won't be doing the program but I'll capture that K70. EDIT: there Third in a row, ingo! This time the beer smiley won't do. -- Last edit: 2013-08-06 02:31:31
rjluna2 ◊ 2013-08-06 02:40	I think this is a newer model on these thumbnails provided by chicomarx
Sandie ◊ 2013-08-06 02:41	^^Thanks. There was nothing wrong with his conclusions regarding British manufacturing, though others have argued it more compellingly. My ire was caught more by the highly dubious comparison with VW and overstatement of the Golf's early success. Other manufacturers (Peugeot, Renault, Fiat, the Japanese) lead the foreign invasion more successfully up until the 90s than VW. The growth of upmarket cars among company car user-choosers was where the Germans came into their own and that has only really been in the past 10-15 years. He also completely ignored the significance of the Japanese to GB car manufacturing. I can't be bothered to check properly but I would be unsurprised if each of Honda, Nissan and Toyota employ more workers than all three German owned concerns combined in their factories and that's not to mention Indian-owned Jaguar Land-Rover. I also sincerely question the assertion he finished on that Germany is to become some 21st century superpower (there are problems there that were neglected, cf Opel's ongoing problems and need to shed a German factory) and find it downright bizarre that the BBC chose to air this directly after the last episode of Top Gear where there was much tubthumping about British manufacturing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjZ8rdUfhs4 I did enjoy the quote about SAAB, Volvo, Mercedes, Audi and Rover drivers though. -- Last edit: 2013-08-06 02:41:33
chicomarx ◊ 2013-08-06 02:55	"Saabs are driven by socialist dentists. Rovers are a cry for help." I like the architect stereotype better. I believe the Metro ad did show the "foreign invasion" including Hondas and R5s, but the film was wholly focused on comparing GB with Germany indeed.
dsl ◊ 2013-08-06 03:10	It had some interesting footage - some of the early Mini sequences intrigued me for where they came from (and that red Dutch plate late 70s Mini screeching round Dutch canal streets - was that from a film??). But nothing about the various fates of Rootes/Chrysler, Ford or Vauxhall/Opel to counter the BMC/Leyland bashing nor anything to dilute the blame-the-unions rant (what about the various UK government policy failures?? or the Blessed Margaret's appetite for industrial collapse?).
G-MANN ◊ 2013-08-06 03:18	Sandie wrote Unfortunately, I refuse to watch the programme again as it annoyed me greatly. Sandie wrote My ire was caught more by the highly dubious comparison with VW and overstatement of the Golf's early success. Other manufacturers lead the foreign invasion more successfully up until the 90s than VW... He also completely ignored the significance of the Japanese to GB car manufacturing. This made you angry?
chicomarx ◊ 2013-08-06 03:55	Dutch Mini for dsl Does look like a film clip but nothing is listed in the credits. and a picture that says it all: joy and adoration after yet another successful privatisation.
Sandie ◊ 2013-08-06 04:29	G-MANN, if you know about and feel passionately about a subject, how would you feel if something presented as a serious historical discussion of it peddled half-truths and had them as central to the argument? I'll explain my view a bit more (I can appreciate why these seem minor without much explanation). I'm a bit of a patriotic Brit so perhaps the biggest annoyance, was the overwhelming air of talking Britain down and ignoring our current industrial success stories (2013 is going to be the year with the highest level of GB car production since 1972, I'm told) which is somewhere else the Japanese, neglected in the doc, in particular come in. The Nissan Qashqai sells in hundreds of thousands per year and was designed at Nissan's London design studio, engineered in Bedfordshire and is built in Washington. This is before we get on to the (like them or loathe them) class leading products produced, engineered and designed in Britain by Jaguar Land Rover (albeit with Indian money). Coming after the last ten minutes of Top Gear which marked a proud and cocksure salute to what Britain is now achieving in manufacturing and engineering it was deeply annoying, a kick to the figurative balls of the nation. An unnecessary one as the demise of the British indigenous car industry is a subject that has been covered many, many times before much more skillfully (the blame the unions and inept management angle is hardly something novel). The new twist this documentary presented was the comparison with Germany and the misplaced idea that the Germans now own British manufacturing, and I've explained already what was wrong with these parts of the argument. Placed in that context I hope you can appreciate why these two issues annoy me. It is also worth mentioning I am no hater of Germany. In fact, rules on washing cars aside, I think there so much that Britain should admire about and learn from Germany. There are other things that irritated me (I've already alluded to the overly optimistic portrait of German manufacturing for example. A portrait that was so rosy even Ingo would find it a bit romanticised) but I could be up all night ranting about them.
Sandie ◊ 2013-08-06 04:39	And another pic for dsl, a reminder of happier times, Baroness T with the car she made possible:
G-MANN ◊ 2013-08-06 10:20	OK, admittedly I haven't watched this yet.
rjluna2 ◊ 2013-08-06 13:45	Sandie wrote And another pic for dsl, a reminder of happier times, Baroness T with the car she made possible: That is one hell of big interior light
Ingo ◊ 2013-08-06 20:48	chicomarx wrote I won't be doing the program but I'll capture that K70. Third in a row, ingo! This time the beer smiley won't do. This hyper-rare sight is even worth more than 3 beers, I'll ad even some http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis (it's enough left http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/tfrd.jpg/ note the cans far left ) These pics are a hyper-rarity insofar, as they are actually the one and only more or less "official" photos of the very last K 70 ever (the first for me!) It's one of the last 800, made between December 1974 and March 1975. To identify from outside by the black plastic caps on the front wings and the very very last one (last 300 maybe) had also front bumpers with little chromated plastic caps in front of the headlights (both versions of caps are "not existing" VW-parts, as they had no part-no and didn't appear in any lists). These last K 70 were all painted either in sonnengelb (as here), marinogelb or marathonmetallic (only one exception in hellasmetallic is known) and had all either black or blue interior (blue interior was not in the range any more since July 1973). And all of them were registrated on the Volkswagenwerk AG as owner, all with plates from this series (one exception: the car of my former doctor, who had a big fight in Dec 1974 to purchase a new K 70, his beloved favourite car) They were out of the official range since early Dec 1974 and were produced from the left over parts. For that reason they are all somehow unoriginal, especially inside. And the reason for the strange caps on the wings and the bumpers: the regular parts ran out of stock, so they took "Italian/Danish/Norwegian" wings -with the hole for the side indicator- and the "Swedish" bumper -with the holes for the headlight washer system- Im Summer 1975 all these K 70 were placed on a large ground in the Wolfsburg-plant and were offered to the employees: "If anyone wants to have a K 70, he shall tell it now. Last order, when those are gone, the chapter K 70 is finished for Volkswagen." For that reason all of those last one, have the Volkswagenwerk AG as the first owner an employee as second (except my doctor's car). P.S. The pics, chicomarx has posted, are shot in the Volkwagen plant in Wolfsburg, clearly to identify by the builing and the concrete-streets. -- Last edit: 2013-08-06 20:51:23
chicomarx ◊ 2013-08-07 00:47	Predictably someone uploaded the whole film on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5J2PzWPJSE Das Auto: The Germans, Their Cars and Us. The BBC will have it removed soon. As a download it's in better quality on usenet: Link to "www.nzbindex.nl" (1.44 GB alt.binaries.teevee)
dsl ◊ 2013-08-07 01:25	If someone wanted to do it, it could be a lot of fun for those of us with UK and D loyalties - a fair few interesting cars and intriguing footage for where it was sourced. I'd have a go but unable to download big things at the moment as on a dongle diet away from home.
Sandie ◊ 2013-08-07 01:29	For UK based posters the doc is also available legally on HD IPlayer.
Ingo ◊ 2013-08-07 08:31	Sandie wrote ^^Thanks. There was nothing wrong with his conclusions regarding British manufacturing, though others have argued it more compellingly. My ire was caught more by the highly dubious comparison with VW and overstatement of the Golf's early success. Other manufacturers (Peugeot, Renault, Fiat, the Japanese) lead the foreign invasion more successfully up until the 90s than VW. Back in those years, 1974/1975 the German car industry, especially Volkswagen were in a deep crisis, too. VW was very close to a bankrupcy, just the success of the Golf and the Passat had been the last saving anchor. If Golf and Passat weren't, Volkswagen wouldn't exist any more today. Their previous range was reliable and solid, but helplessly outdated. The K 70 was only an unbeloved stepchild wih too high production costs (per car VW had only earned 13 D-Mark, ca.6,50 € today) and too low production numbers (211.000 would be respectable for NSU, but nothing for Volkswagen). After the K 70-production in the Salzgitter-plant (built in 1970 expecially for it) ran out in early 1975, there were plans to close the factory. A few thousand workers were already thrown out. The Salzgitter-plant survived due the assembling of Passats, alter on it became the main engine-production line for the whole VW/Audi group. -- Last edit: 2013-08-07 08:32:10
tali ◊ 2013-08-08 13:24	Sandie wrote The Nissan Qashqai sells in hundreds of thousands per year and was designed at Nissan's London design studio, engineered in Bedfordshire and is built in Washington. I hear what you're saying, trouble is Qashqai is hardly groundbreaking in any shape of form whatsoever. How long did the Qashqai take ? " Hey lets do what Toyota did waay back in 90s with the RAV4 and then hype it up as a new niche .Sorted" I'll give them kudos for marketing and hype -- Last edit: 2013-08-08 13:38:46 (G-MANN)
G-MANN ◊ 2013-08-08 13:35	Woah, did you really have to quote that whole comment? (you even one quoted one sentence again in speech marks, you should have just done it the way I've edited your comment) -- Last edit: 2013-08-08 13:40:34
chicomarx ◊ 2013-08-09 00:36	tali wrote trouble is Qashqai is hardly groundbreaking in any shape of form whatsoever. People buy a Qashqai because they like "to sit a little higher", that's the big motivation.
G-MANN ◊ 2013-08-09 00:49	While people in normal cars can't see past them when behind them or alongside them at road junctions.
G-MANN ◊ 2013-08-12 13:45	I've seen that documentary now. Although I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject I got the feeling it oversimplified it, but they probably have to to make a 1 hour documentary for a mass audience. IMCDB-wise, I'm not sure if it's particularly worth adding, it's just the usual mix of stock footage (some bits have probably been used many times) and a few prop cars (eg. presenter drives a Morris Minor while talking about it) These documentaries soon become forgotten as well. -- Last edit: 2013-08-12 13:50:27
dsl ◊ 2013-08-17 00:13	tali wrote I'll give them kudos for marketing and hype I'll give them G-MANN to keep them on their toes.

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