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Mitsubishi Jeep J20

Mitsubishi Jeep J20 in Nikui an-chikushô, Movie, 1962 IMDB

Class: Cars, Off-road / SUV — Model origin: JP

Mitsubishi Jeep J20

[*][*][*][*] Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time

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Lateef NO

2013-02-05 20:46

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Q-Ball JP

2013-02-06 15:29

I believe the correct designation is
Mitsubishi Jeep CJ-3B

Lateef NO

2013-02-06 15:31

I'd like to get 4x4peru to post a comment here before eventually making such drastic changes.

Q-Ball JP

2013-02-06 18:30

Thats the problem. Our naming of these Jeeps has become so muddled over the years that consistency isn't on our side. :P

4x4peru US

2013-02-07 03:56

I am not as familiar with export built Jeeps as US built Jeeps. The Mitsu has the longer rear body as seen here (although there are at least two Jeeps pictured, one #5110 has standard seats and the other #0711 has 60/40 seats) but also has WILLYS on the hood and lacks MITSUBISHI on the upper grille?

Agree w/ Q-Ball on the naming but reality is JEEP is made in many models by many counties under different license for the past 70 yrs. It is very complicated to know under which manufacture a particular model was built and who owned the rights at that time? Willys, Kaiser, AMC, Chrysler, Daimler, and that is only for the USA...

We are able however to recognize the basic models (Civilian and Military) on which most all Jeeps are based regardless of there origin. When uncertain about the origin it is "based on a CJ?". If details are present to narrow the origin or year then that makes it easier. My two cents...

Lateef NO

2013-02-07 09:55

4x4peru wrote but also has WILLYS on the hood and lacks MITSUBISHI on the upper grille?

Actually, the Mitsubishi three-diamond logo is to the left of the Willys lettering. Maybe we should simply name it Mitsubishi Willys Jeep for the time being.

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Gag Halfrunt UK

2013-02-07 11:03

According to Jeeps Around the Word, it's a Mitsubishi CJ3B-J3:
http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/World/Japan2.html

Lateef NO

2013-02-07 11:17

After a bit more research, I've concluded that this is a Mitsubishi Willys Jeep CJ3B-J20 - as the J3 is the shortened (regular) version. The Willys and CJ3B nameplates seem to have been dropped sometime later, possibly during the early 1960s.

dsl SX

2013-02-07 13:26

I have a book reference which reads "For two years from 1953 Mitsubishi managed the importation of Kaiser-Frazer Jeeps in the form of CKD units. The American company then ceased trading". No direct reference to what happened next, but hints elsewhere in the book that CKD Jeep assembly continued afterwards for some time with new arrangements with whoever. Also a general relationship with other CKD assembly projects in J at the time (Hino Renault, Isuzu Minx, Nissan Austin) that these were official government strategy to develop the J motor industry to undergo "the apprentice years" to catch up with other countries to develop expertise, experience, manufacturing skills, marketing etc across the industry. Each of the car contracts started as 100% component import but had staged thresholds each year to increase the %age of local manufacture to complete production by late 50s so that these became just licensing arrangements; however they retained the right to access and incorporate all the updates developed by the source manufacturer but also allowed flexibility for independent J adaptations (particularly evident in the Isuzu Minx sequences which mirrored UK annual updates but also gave a couple of unique J variations). All 3 car relationships stopped 61-64 as regarded as no longer useful, so Jeep may have ceased around then??

Q-Ball JP

2013-02-07 19:39

Ahh. I'm so glad to see this cleared up for this model range.
With this being said, I propose that we change the model origin to USA, but have built in and made for J as extra details.

Lateef NO

2013-02-07 19:47

Maybe for the CJ3B-J3, but not this one. The elongated version only existed in Japan.

Q-Ball JP

2013-02-07 19:54

I guess. I was just thinking of the fact that the JDM made little to no changes to the design when they were still using CKD parts from Willy's and Kaiser.
Kind of the same thing with Isuzu Hillman's and Nissan Austin's, but I lead the final choice up to the admins.

dsl SX

2013-02-07 20:11

Minx example was 100% J made after Oct 57, which was the point when they started additional unique J versions. But these were only different recipes from the same pot - still used Rootes elements in different permutations from UK and very likely designed in Coventry and produced from tooling supplied from UK. So may or may not be a useful comparison here. AFAIK Nissan Austins and Hino Renaults always stayed closer to source models with only additional chrome and bright colour schemes.

Q-Ball JP

2013-02-07 23:18

Understood, but ALL the Isuzu Hillman's have the UK as model origin on this site. As do the Nissan Austins.

dsl SX

2013-02-07 23:32

So they should - that's correct. All design was UK.

Q-Ball JP

2013-02-08 01:28

so the shouldn't the earlier Mitsubishi jeeps with Willy's parts have it in the name? Not the elongated version but the standard.

dsl SX

2013-02-08 17:37

Seems logical, but we really need some definite information about 1955+ Mitsubishi assembly arrangements before we know what we're doing.

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