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1912 Rolls-Royce 40/50 h.p. 'Silver Ghost' Rothschild et Fils Open Drive Limousine replica [1937]

1912 Rolls-Royce 40/50 h.p. 'Silver Ghost' [1937] in Festival of Transport, Documentary, 1996

Class: Cars, Limousine — Model origin: UK

1912 Rolls-Royce 40/50 h.p. 'Silver Ghost' Rothschild et Fils Open Drive Limousine replica [1937]

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stronghold EN

2011-10-14 10:06

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nzcarnerd NZ

2011-10-14 10:08

Circa 1912 I guess.

nzcarnerd NZ

2011-10-14 10:08

Looks to be this one - http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C137248

stronghold EN

2011-10-14 10:13

Yours for a bargain £585,000.!

dsl SX

2011-10-14 22:14

Do we need to sort all the Silver Ghost group - /vehicles_make-Rolls-Royce_model-Silver+Ghost.html - into 40/50 h.p. 'Silver Ghost' group - /vehicles.php?make=Rolls-Royce&model=40%2F50+h.p.+%27Silver+Ghost%27&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on&page=1 to avoid artificial separation?

dsl SX

2011-10-14 22:20

DVLA details for R 1284 are:
Date of Liability 01 06 2012
Date of First Registration 07 03 1994
Year of Manufacture 1912
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 7428cc
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type PETROL
Export Marker N
Vehicle Status Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour MAROON
Vehicle Type Approval Not Available.

chris40 UK

2011-10-14 22:58

@dsl: I've always been taught that /vehicle_11202-Rolls-Royce-40-50-hp--Silver-Ghost--60551-1907.html is the only Silver Ghost; all the others are simply 40/50 h.p.s. Just saying ...

dsl SX

2011-10-14 23:19

Chris - fully agreed, though we have a few folk more expert than my passing knowledge who could confirm the line to follow between customary and formal usages. Whatever we do, we should only have one group of cars, not the two separate sets which show up at the moment. AX 201 is still a 40/50, and could be slotted into that group as a unique special.

And I assume all "Silver Ghosts" were 40/50 hp and there were no other possibilities/rogue cars.

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DAF555 SE

2011-10-16 21:36

My knowledge on Rolls-Royce is rather shallow, but after browsing my books and the net about Silver Ghosts I found that the AX 201 was part of a sort of pre-series built during 1907. These cars were thoroughly tested to ensure that the cars delivered to customers were reliable. From what I can find this car was also named Silver Ghost from the start and that there were other names applied on other test vehicles. The Silver Ghost entered in several rallies and soon became famous and written about in the press, soon the name became connected to the production vehicles that reached customers from september 1907 and on. But Rolls-Royce didn´t acknowledge that name until production had ceased in 1925, so it seems to be a semi-official nickname applied in retrospect.

If these facts are correct, a solution on grouping these cars could be:

Since the AX 201 was a pre-series it´s category could be changed to proto/concept instead of convertible, and the name Silver Ghost could be entered without '' surrounding it since it was given that name from the beginning.

The production cars could be grouped together as just 40/50 hp. With 'Silver Ghost' like it is now, in the model field, or maybe better moved to extra info like most other nicknames are treated.

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dsl SX

2011-10-18 17:58

Thanks - I think that makes an army of three with the same revolutionary cause. Anyone else want to enlist? Storm the barricades! (unless it's raining in which case we meet in the church hall).

robgeelen2 NL

2011-10-29 13:49

AX201 was a regular series 40/50 hp chassis, not the first, but very early, which was specially prepared in silver colour to attract as much attention as possible in running a RAC monitored reliability run. The name 'Silver Ghost' was only given to this specific car, other cars had all sorts of other names - like "The Cookie" etc. Only as a result of theis car catching the public's attention and due to the attention the cars got in the Lawrence of Arabia book 'Seven Pillars of Wisdom', were these cars later referred to as Silver Ghosts to distinguish them from the New Phantom, Phantom II and Phantom III, all of which were 40/50 hp in the fiscal rating system. Within the 'Silver Ghost'-series there were quite a number of model designations, like London-Edinburgh (1913), Alpine model, Colonial model, W.O. (War Office) for the armoured cars, Springfield (U.S. factory produced) and F.W.B. (front wheel brakes 1924-1925). I'd say just call them Silver Ghost, New Phantom, Phantom II, III etc., and the smaller chassis as 20, 20/25, 25/30, Wraith (officially called 25/30 Wraith), not to be confused but often is with the postwar Silver Wraith). Personally I think we should avoid giving cars special status as much as possible when categorizing.
Now, can I have a cup of tea, please?

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dsl SX

2011-10-29 14:15

Yes - milk and sugar? I've got some biscuits somewhere if you want a custard cream. I think an admin has sorted out the Silver-Ghost-without-40/50hp group as my 1st comment - it's now empty and everything apart from AX 201 seems to be "40/50 h.p. 'Silver Ghost' " now. So I think we're all agreed.


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DAF555 SE

2011-10-29 20:44

dsl wrote I think an admin has sorted out the Silver-Ghost-without-40/50hp group as my 1st comment - it's now empty and everything apart from AX 201 seems to be "40/50 h.p. 'Silver Ghost' " now. So I think we're all agreed.


I did that, renamed all that were named just Silver Ghost to 40/50 h.p., since that was not an official designation in that period. But I hesitated to move 'Silver Ghost' to extra info on the rest, but I think that would be best since they were only named 40/50 h.p. when new.

dsl SX

2016-01-25 01:27

"Cette Silver Ghost a été construite en Landaulette par Hooper et vendue à son premier propriétaire à Londres. Après de nombreuses années et une vie plutôt difficile, elle a été découverte dans une ferme du Yorkshire, dans un bien triste état... Confiée à l'expert anglais Colin Laybourn & James, elle a été méticuleusement reconstruite avec une nouvelle carrosserie de Limousine, dans le style de Rothschild et Fils. Chassis n° 1937. (R-1284)" - Link to "www.automobileweb2.net"

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