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Weasel1984 ◊ 2010-02-19 14:02	I belive these are grey bumpers and not in body color. This would make it even a 1989 to me... First one btw.!
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-19 19:08	Good thinking, but... 80% of the plastic parts for Florida was coming from "Jugoplastika", factory located in Split, Croatia. When civil war in Croatia began, "Jugoplastika" stopped delivering parts for Zastava. Other components for Florida were imported from abroad (mostly Italy). So the last big shipment of plastic parts for all Zastava models was in early 1991. (although I heard an information that last shipment was in November 1990., but this is not relevant for our story). Anyway, until June 1992. Zastava used parts that were imported from abroad, and eventually from some small shipments that were coming from Split. In June, UN sanctions were placed on Yugoslavia (now called Savezna Republika Jugoslavija, made of only Serbia and Montenegro). In that situation, production in all factories stopped, including Zastava. 101 and Yugo were still produced, because more parts were produced in Serbia or Montenegro, although in smaller volume. Florida was in a problem. So only a few cars were made in period 1992.-1995., due to lack of parts. Cars that were made were assembled from remaining parts, and it was nothing unusual for some parts to be missing or to be in a different color (for example, you had brown dash and gray steering wheel in a Yugo). Same thing happened with colors - cars were painted in colors that could be bought in market, and in 1993. and 1994. those were mostly crappy colors that nobody wanted to buy (or only ones that could be made out of components factories had). Point is - this crappy-blue color was used only during this crisis period. That's how gray bumpers and missing right rear-view mirror can be explained. Since in early 1994. (hyper)inflation rate was over 300% a day, not many cars were produced in that year (especially Floridas), so I conlude that this Florida is from 1993. Take a look at he adds, for example - all Floridas you find in this color is from 1993. or 1994.: http://www.polovniautomobili.com/oglas204424/yugo_florida_13efi/ Thos particular one is from December 1992., and was bought in February 1993. And another thing - from 1988.-1991. most Floridas had 1.4 Lancia engine, later (from 1991. I think) they used 1.3 EFI (because it didn't have to be imported, it was same engine from Yugo 65 - 1.3L, 65 hp), and this one has 1.3 EFI. PS. first floridas were produced in 1988. (under 400pcs) . Until the end of 1991. 16000 Floridas were built, and until end of production only 29 950 in total was made. Very sad for me, one of my favourite cars. For those who want to find out more about Florida: Link to "zastavanacionale.com" And legendary Tiff Needell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCe4lQ2K08Q And at the end ot this epic comment, more pics: -- Last edit: 2010-02-19 23:10:49
Weasel1984 ◊ 2010-02-20 16:36	Ok, so 1993. Yes, this interesting car definitely became a victim of those times. To my country they came later in the second half of the 90's. They were assembled, or maybe just imported, for a while by the company DAMIS (for sure they assembled Korals). But sale was rather small. Then they dissapered completly from the market after the bombing of the Zastava factory at the beginning of 1999. -- Last edit: 2010-02-20 16:37:17
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-21 13:29	I think they left polish market just before Poland entered EU, this ad (poor image quality, but that's all I have) is from 2001.: Taken from www.zastavanacionale.com -- Last edit: 2010-02-21 13:29:40
130rapid ◊ 2010-02-21 14:26	Serbian - Polish Yugo connections were much deeper, dear DonSergioMorello. "DAMIS Motor Poland" company assembled (CKD) Yugo Koral & Florida in Łódź, Brzezińska Street. They made around 700 pcs in 1997-2000 period. Shutted down because Kragujevac Zastava/Yugo factory had some main problem... http://www.grid.unep.ch/btf/missions/sites/kragujevac.html -- Last edit: 2010-02-21 14:34:59
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-21 16:01	I didn't know about that! 8) I'll talk to zastavanacionale.com administrator when I see him, he has a lot of insider information, I'll try to find out what exactly happened with Koral/Florida export to Poland. Ty for this useful information!!! edit: I was in a hurry, so I managed read the entire text now. Text is only about ecological consequences of NATO bombing. It's true that production stopped when factory was bombed, but production lines were repaired and car production started again in autumn 1999. Here is something from my archive: "The Florida is on track again, with a more luxurious Business version available for '99. Yet 1999 will be among the worst years in Zastava's history. (...) Zastava's car factory; truck factory; power plant, and machine and tool foundries all suffer to varying degrees during the bombing. The facilities are hit twice, in the early mornings of Friday, April 9th (the Serbian Good Friday) and Monday, April 12th, with 21 missiles and bombs. 140 of Zastava's people are injured during the first raid, 30 heavily, while another 36 are injured in the second. Damage to Zastava's power plant alone is estimated at 46 million deutsche marks, while the total estimated damage to the factories as a whole is figured at $500 million. (...) Yet perhaps the most significant problem for Zastava is the destruction of its paint shop, an automated line that had begun operation with the export of Yugos to the USA on July 10th, 1985. Robots had been provided by Siemens Germany; Jaco Italy, and Ralsberg Germany. All the ingenuity in the world cannot replace a Ralsberg belt, capable of thirty thousand revolutions per minute. The entire line will need to be rebuilt. Zastava's $10 million computer center, consisting of two large IBM mainframes which have handled data for all Zastava factories throughout Serbia, is destroyed. (...) 120 suppliers face bankruptcy. Many a Western observer suggests that Zastava's ability to manufacture cars has been entirely eliminated. (...) Again, the company will pick up the pieces. Despite the predictions, and the gravity of the situation, Zastava's resilience will again prove unshakeable. A one hundred and forty-four year old industrial giant cannot be destroyed overnight. Years later, in 2003, director Miljko Kokić would proudly tell the Financial Times that Zastava workers had worked overtime to repair the damage, improvising to make up for ruined production lines. "With sales rising and (monthly) salaries up to $150, they do not want to quit now... this factory is all we have," Kokić said. "We had no choice but to move on, and get on with it," marketing director Vladeta Kostić would in 2005 explain to a somewhat incredulous Italian team visiting the factory for its Planeta Zastava documentary. Surveying the damage of '99, Zastava Group president Milan Beko was encouraged by offers of assistance from present and former business partners, and by the high morale demonstrated by factory employees who had continued to come to work each morning. "As long as this is the situation, we shall overcome all difficulties, primarily through the help of our factory employees; the government, and our business partners," he promised. By July 1999, thirty days after the end of debilitating, three-month-long air strikes, the Serbian government is already making plans to rebuild Zastava. (...)" Pictures made in autumn 1999. - production of Tempo(Koral), Zastava 101 and Florida begins again: According to the information I have, export started again in 2000. and 2001. First CKD kits of Zastava 128 were exported to Egypt, and later cars were exported to Sirya, Croatia etc. So I can claim that if Koral/Florida inport to Poland stopped in 2000., it was due to economic reasons, and not because Zastava stopped production. Commercial I posted few posts up I got from administrator of zastavanacionale.com, so it is 100% sure that it is from 2001. As an economist, I think that export was stopped due to trade embargo that remained for few more years after Milošević was ousted in October 2000., and very poor quality of components and vehicle assembling. In 2002.(or was it 2001, can't remember) Zastava had major reorganisation, and from that time quality of Zastava cars was slowly improved until november 2008., when production of old models was finished. It is important to say that Zastava never managed to reach quality it had before 1999., not to mention before 1991. - e.g. from 1999. cars were painted manually. This post is OT for sure, admins can delete it or move it somewhere later if they want. -- Last edit: 2010-02-21 17:17:43
Weasel1984 ◊ 2010-02-21 19:02	130rapid - I already wrote about DAMIS assembly above... :P DonSergio - not in 2000, but in 1999. Who knows maybe they sold some cars in 2000, but made earlier. DAMIS claim that the cooperation was discontinued due to the situation in Kragujevac and this destruction of the factory. http://www.damis.pl/info.html The production of cars was of course re-run in Serbia (we know), but they were never later imported by us. The advert can be older, the pics used to it are older. Koral with this design was known here since 1997, at least was known in such shape from the press materials. Two cars were usually shown with this grill - yellow and blue - http://www.motofakty.pl/artykul/yugo.html But in real life, the few DAMIS Korals, which I saw had different 'plastics'. I think offered only by the DAMIS: http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2742/yugowbochniqz6.jpg All Floridas seems to had bumpers in body color here. Last time (and for the second time during my life) I saw Florida on the street a year ago. Maybe it wouldn't be bad idea to find such car and buy it... Definitely a vehicle with the interesting and dramatic background (which you partly described), also rare - worth to preserve. I'm looking for something unusual. BTW Before the DAMIS period there were also imported somehow some Yugos in Poland. A friend of mine in school had a Koral from 1995 - his first car after the drivng licence exam. -- Last edit: 2010-02-21 23:09:49
130rapid ◊ 2010-02-22 01:03	Weasel1984 wrote 130rapid - I already wrote about DAMIS assembly above... :P Oh, indeed. :XXXX Weasel1984 wrote BTW Before the DAMIS period there were also imported somehow some Yugos in Poland. Yup. I remember some driving impression of Koral in Polish motor papers early 90s, and Florida even (nice yellow metalic paint with bumpers in body colour) in 1998 or 1999. DonSergioMorello, I can find & scan it, if you want. -- Last edit: 2010-02-22 01:12:05
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-22 01:17	That yellow Yugo that can be seen on second link is Yugo Ciao or Koral CL, I'm 100% sure. It was introduced in 2000., I still have it's brochure that my dad brought from Begrade car show. Yugo like on last image I've never seen, so it could be some DAMIS creation... Anyway, to make long story short - I'll try to contact zastavanacionale's admin and find out exact data. I'm also planing to buy a Florida and preserve it in next 2-3 years - right now I'm monitoring what is happening with 18 TDC Floridas built in 2007. and 2008., that have 1.4 75hp PSA HDI engine and average fuel consumption of 4,5L/100km when used in city. Next target is Florida with 1.6 95hp PSA engine, which runs like hell - up to 180kmh without a problem, maximum speed 185kmh (factory data). If you need any data about Florida - use pm's, we've already polluted this topic a lot. Quote DonSergioMorello, I can find & scan it, if you want. If you could do that, that would be great! PS. was color of that Florida something like this: http://s1.postimage.org/gxuWIDJ.jpg -- Last edit: 2010-02-22 01:21:19
130rapid ◊ 2010-02-22 17:20	DonSergioMorello wrote PS. was color of that Florida something like this: http://s1.postimage.org/gxuWIDJ.jpg Possible, although more yellow in full sunshine. Scanning in progress.
130rapid ◊ 2010-02-22 19:29	Yugo in Poland gallery is visible here: http://picasaweb.google.com/130rapid/ZastavaYugo# Text "Yugo Florida" came from not existed journal "Moje Auto" (1/99). "Brzydkie kaczątko" (Ugly duckling) about Yugo Koral 45 from weekly paper "Motor" (25.04.1992). "Serbskie Yugo z Damisu" about Yugo Koral EFI assembled by Damis from monthly journal "AUTO-Technika Motoryzacyjna" (1/1998). It was SKD not CKD assembly. Extra article "Jak powstaje polska Tavria" about assembling Tavria in Damis plant. Or large service garrage rather. :P It keeped similar assembling standards and conditions on Yugo.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2010-02-22 20:03	Tavria Van, I forgot that such thing existed. DonSergioMorello wrote That yellow Yugo that can be seen on second link is Yugo Ciao or Koral CL, I'm 100% sure. It was introduced in 2000., I still have it's brochure that my dad brought from Begrade car show. I still have car magaziens of that period. This pic is from the late 1997. This design was perhaps introduced first in 1997, but the production didn't start before 2000 due to alredy mentioned reasons (perhaps only few cars were made - some sort of prototypes and they were used as "show cars"). Also look at the date of this article in the link - early 1999. In 130rapid articles from the early 1998 Korals didn't have yet these sexy Damis "plastics". They were introduced in 1998, but a bit later (and seems in option). -- Last edit: 2010-02-22 20:15:28
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-22 20:29	@130rapid: can you upload pisc in higher resolution, these are too small and imposibble to read . This Florida in article looks great (before the civil war metallic Floridas were mainly made for export to western countries, they also were availiable in wonderful metallic blue (this one is from one of Belgrade junkyards) - http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c268/VuleGSBeograd/florida_1.jpg, both with very nice alloy rims made in Bosnia), but it has newer and absolete dash, whithout many additions that original Florida dash had. Just compare these two dashes - first one is from 1988.-1995., from Jugoplastika, and second was made somewhere in Serbia (factory "Bučje" from Priboj I think): Have to say again - great car! When production of old Zastava models stopped car magazine "SAT Plus" made 4-part text about Zastava cars; Florida was presented in 4th part, with title "She was better than the others"... -- Last edit: 2010-02-22 20:31:46
130rapid ◊ 2010-02-23 10:32	DonSergioMorello wrote @130rapid: can you upload pisc in higher resolution, these are too small and imposibble to read Just click photo. After that push the Q+ (reading glass) buttom on the right high. Wait a moment for the best quality view.
130rapid ◊ 2010-02-24 20:39	Direct links to HQ photos: Florida: Link to "lh4.ggpht.com" Link to "lh5.ggpht.com" Koral (1992): Link to "lh3.ggpht.com" Link to "lh4.ggpht.com" Koral (1998): Link to "lh3.ggpht.com" Link to "lh3.ggpht.com" Link to "lh3.ggpht.com" Tavria assembling: Link to "lh3.ggpht.com" Link to "lh5.ggpht.com" -- Last edit: 2010-02-24 20:42:44
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-27 00:21	I've already downloaded them before you wrote post about zooming (when I put on my googles I was able to see reading glass in top corner ). Great texts, I was able to understand most of it.
Ingo ◊ 2010-02-27 00:43	I just have tried to find some Yugo's at www.mobile.de, but the brand isn't listed. But there was an export to West Germany. Not as much as to America, but some were sold here. A guy in my NSU-club had a garage in Hamburg - with the odd combination of selling new Yugo's and restoring Wankel-engined cars. When the Yugoslavian war started, he dropped the Yugo-business. I've never asked him, if he maybe had thought about a career in the show-business. He was a real duobleganger of Freddie Mercury. Somewhere else I already wrote, that in the town of Dortmund there was a brandnew Yugo, abandoned for years in the showroom of a former Yugo-dealer. When the war begun, the (quite little) shop was closed. But the Yugo 45 was left over. For at least 7 years it was standing around. When someone else had opened a new garage there, it went directly from the showroom to the junk-car-parking in the backlot. After standing some more years under the trees, it was finally picked up by a scrapmetal-dealer and brought to the shredder... For me the main interesting thing about Yugo's is one sort of wheel-bearings. They are identical with that ones for my K 70
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-28 14:26	@ingo - have you tried www.autoscout24.de? You can choose Zastava there. Eg: http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.aspx?id=bgb1xyb3uzh1 I have some pics of Yugos from Germany in my archive. We can discuss Yugo/Zastava on the forum, we've already polluted this picture with a lot of comments! -- Last edit: 2010-02-28 14:28:28
130rapid ◊ 2010-02-28 15:25	DonSergioMorello wrote Great texts, I was able to understand most of it. And like you saw, authors say usually about dated body shapes but smart simply, good working hardware. -- Last edit: 2010-02-28 15:27:19
Ingo ◊ 2010-02-28 21:59	[quote=DonSergioMorello http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.aspx?id=bgb1xyb3uzh1 we've already polluted this picture with a lot of comments! [/quote] a) cough A real idiot, eeh? 10.000 € for a Yugo b) Why polluted? Maybe our kind of discussion is not well accepted here, but "polluting" is something different IMHO -- Last edit: 2010-02-28 22:07:28
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-02-28 23:40	a) there is a story about this Yugo - it was custom-made, and was first registrated in France. It has a lot of additions, but I agree that 10000 is too much for a Yugo! b) Well, I say polutted because a lot of our comments have nothing to do with the picture, just imagine someone's face when he/she clicks on the picture on the main page and see 10 1-mile-long comments! Or maybe it's just mine "professional deformation", as I delete all OT's on forums where I'm moderator. :shy:
Ingo ◊ 2010-02-28 23:55	We aren't OT, we are talking about Yugo's. Somewhere else we had several real OT-discussions. For me this is not bad. We only should avoid to post many pictures then. Antoine don't like it, to waste space with them, especially, when they are OT.
DonSergioMorello ◊ 2010-03-01 00:06	Ok, so we go on!
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-25 20:50	Last weekend, at our club-meeting we've visited that museum, too: http://www.automuseummelle.de/ We had the chance to have a look in their depot, too. No kidding - they had a Yugo Florida there. And even two of a very unpopular Mitsubishi Coupé from the 80ies. Shame on me, I forgot the name... But we had talked about it somehwere here recently.
Gamer ◊ 2018-08-16 20:03	If 1993, it should have the FR Yugoslavian flag (Serbia and Montenegro)

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