Advertising Last completed movie pages 1936 Scammell-Electricar Mechanical Horse Crew Cab DustcartClass: Trucks, Trailer truck (tractor) — Model origin: 
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◊ 2008-07-10 13:10 |
Although not very visible the tractor-trailer looks unusual. It could be a three-wheeler tractor unit. Possibly a 1947 Scammell Mechanical Horse by the front detail but the cab looks larger than normal? ![[Image: cap020ak6.8048.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is181/cap020ak6.8048.jpg) A combined image from separate screen captures. ![[Image: combinedzm9.4848.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is181/combinedzm9.4848.jpg) Comments? I will move to movie comments if too small or of little interest later. |
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◊ 2008-07-14 09:40 |
I think that this is a late 1930s Karrier CK3. The set-back front axle and tapered front make it look like a three wheeler, but it is not a Scammell, a Karrier Cob, or a Napier Mechanical Horse. |
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◊ 2008-07-14 12:25 |
Thanks john .gif ":)") I found a picture of the Karrier CK3 http://www.britishtelephones.com/vehicles/flatbeds/056.htm and whilst the size of the cab appears to be similar I cannot see a direct connection with the movie truck.I guess I've watched the clip from the movie many times now and so developed a (perhaps wrong!) idea what it should look like. Because its not clearly seen I cannot determine what the dark red structure is (its under the side of the cab in front of the rear wheels). It looks familiar to me somehow - if in fact its part of the truck. I cannot see any front wheel in the movie, only I think, the angled front edge of the red structure. ![[Image: cap019pe1.5890.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is294/cap019pe1.5890.jpg) |
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◊ 2008-07-14 14:09 |
You're right, it's very odd. I had taken the red structure to be a fuel tank within the wheelbase but there is a distinct absence of front wheels! Having looked again at the composite image, (how very clever!) could the red structure be a refected image in the inside of the rear window of the limousine? -- Last edit: 2008-07-14 14:13:51 |
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◊ 2008-07-14 14:53 |
No, the bike looks to travel in front of the red structure. I vaguely remember either this vehicle or something very like it. Probably the best description I have is it like a pontoon or guard that projects out ahead of the rear wheels tapered upwards at the front. Trying to remember more about it (not easy, it will probably come when I stop trying too hard) or find something similar. |
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◊ 2008-07-14 19:45 |
The 'nose', i.e. the front wheel cover, looks very much like a Scammell Mechanical Horse. From the dimensions of the rear wheel compared to the bicyclist and the TR3 I would say it is a 3-ton with a new cabin and added side guards.![[Image: mechhorse20d64530ut2.1026.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is183/mechhorse20d64530ut2.1026.jpg) |
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◊ 2008-07-14 21:23 |
I can't find any evidence for this, but I (like Sunbar) have a vague recollection of something like this. I think it might have been a dustcart (garbage truck!), possibly for commercial refuse, with a crew cab. I'm pretty sure it was Scammell-based. |
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◊ 2008-07-14 21:44 |
The trailer is pretty certainly a refuse trailer of a type used by several London Boroughs, and frequently towed by Scammell Scarabs. My problem is that I struggle to see the tractor in the picture as a tricycle and I have pictures in books of Karrier CK3 trucks being used by London boroughs for this work. Why would you build a bigger cab on a 3 ton mechanical horse? The only reason would be a sort of early crew cab design. There is an earlier version of the CK3 cab fron 1935/6 which fits better with the picture in question, but is not conclusive. The Karrier Cob/Colt tricycles are very different and not at all like this picture. |
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◊ 2008-07-14 22:17 |
I think the proportions and the trailer's shape match the picture in Alexander's comment so a dust cart is very likely. I will try to guess the location and therefore the London borough to see if that helps at all. The extended cab could be a little too small possibly for a crew cab so there could be another reason for the specialised design. |
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◊ 2008-07-14 22:47 |
At the risk of telling you something you know, all the London Boroughs will have been re arranged since the date of the film. My bet would be Holborn or Kensington or Chelsea. |
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◊ 2008-07-14 22:59 |
I guess the reason for this cab is rather simple. The first Mechanical Horses appeared in 1934, 22 years before this film. The front end has possibly simply rusted away or was damaged beyond repair in an accident. The new front looks like being made from plywood, a carpenter's job. |
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◊ 2008-07-15 11:48 |
I contacted the Mechanical Horse Club... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcolm.ruscoe/index.htm With my thanks to club secretary John Downs, for the following reply, confirming Alexander's and chis40's identifications, for a Scammell Mechanical Horse dust cart with crew-cab. "The vehicles seen in your Email are in fact Mechanical Horses built for Westminster Council with crew cabs. Photographs of these vehicles can be found in our club's publication 'The Mechanical Horse'. Thanks for your Email Regards John Downs Secretary" |
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◊ 2008-07-15 15:12 |
Even at 60 I learn a new thing every day! |
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◊ 2013-07-08 07:36 |
1936 Electricar-Scammell refuse collector,a joint project between Scammell and Electricar for Westminster city council basically a electric powered Scammell mechanical horse,they had a long life and were not replaced till 1960.The red structure around the wheelbase is were the batteries were housed. |
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◊ 2014-03-31 13:52 |
1936 Scammell-Electricar Mechanical Horse (May 1936 Commercial Motor) for the Westminster City Council.![[Image: scarabwcc.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/scarabwcc.jpg) |
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