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1981 Bedford MJ 
Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: 
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2022-01-16 21:34 |
![[Image: camion_01_02_13_00.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/8762/camion_01_02_13_00.jpg) ![[Image: 01_22_01_camion.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/8762/01_22_01_camion.jpg) ![[Image: camion_01_02_13.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/8762/camion_01_02_13.jpg) ![[Image: camion_01_22_01.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/8762/camion_01_22_01.jpg) |
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◊ 2022-01-16 21:37 |
Bedford |
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Erkart ◊ 2022-01-19 21:36 |
I think it may be an AWD MJ model, rather than a Bedford. I think that the GM allowed the Bedford name to be used only on military trucks after the purchase by AWD, especially in export markets. |
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◊ 2022-01-19 22:55 |
Uhh…the name “Bedford Blitz” and “CF” tell you anything? |
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Erkart ◊ 2022-01-20 06:18 |
The AWD name was only used on heavy-duty trucks produced after 1986. GM did not allowed the name to be used on civilain products since they owned the Bedford name until 1991, re-badging Isuzu and Suzuki vehicles. As for the screenshot with the Bedford badge, military vehicles were still badged as Bedfords, even after the purchase by AWD. You can see it here: Link to "www.truck1.eu" |
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◊ 2022-01-20 15:46 |
^ Useful info. But (1) how do you tell AWD-made from Bedford-made?? and (2) if they were badged Bedford 1986-91, we should probably enter them as Bedford?? |
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Erkart ◊ 2022-01-20 17:33 |
The first screenshot with the badge, makes the windshield (alongside the truck's cab) look kinda newer, like a hybrid of the TK and TL models, so I assume that it is a newer AWD model. Or it may be just pareidollia, I don't know. Also, I think that the distinction between AWD and Bedford models should be made clear, since they were produced by a completely different manufacturer and some had also different badges. Anyway, from what I could find, apart from military AWD TK models, civilain versions were also produced under the AWD badge, both until 1992, when TK production ended. By that time, it was probably very outdated, and offered only for export. Anyway, my main support that this is an AWD model, is that the cab looks kinda newer. ![[Image: tk_1.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/31067/tk_1.jpg) |
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◊ 2022-01-20 18:43 |
 Digging about a bit, it looks as if both Bedford and AWD MJs all had lollipop indicators, so there was no TK sequence (simplified version: 1961 lollipops => 1969 upright choc ice => 1983 sideways choc ice).But our pair of AWD MJ both have AWD front badges (not Bedford) and we seem to have worked out a system of calling them AWD (make) with Bedford MJ (model), so I think we're OK on naming them successfully. Your photo ^ of civilian AWD TK is interesting - shows clear badging and retention of 1983 sideways choc ice indicators. No idea if there were other cab changes or windscreen updates during TK and MJ life or for changeover. Sunbar has identified a sequence for the mirrors, which - if I understand it correctly - would make this film example the final version, but does not solve Bedford vs AWD question. |
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◊ 2022-01-21 14:15 |
I agree with dsl's comments. Nothing I think to distinguish between Bedford MJ and AWD MJ including the lollypop indicators - only the front badges, Bedford griffin versus 'AWD'. The thumbnail 1 looks to have the Bedford griffin so Bedford MJ in this case I believe. The blue cattle truck ('F' prefix August 1988 to July 1989) with AWD badge is in line with the Bedford-AWD timing, sometime in 1988 Bedford truck ended and production was sold to AWD. However why does the DVLA data shows date of first registration as November 1998 and year of manufacture 1998. Is it just an error? |
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Erkart ◊ 2022-01-21 15:52 |
GM sold the heavy-duty truck division of Bedford to AWD in 1986, not 1988. I assume that they continiued the production of the civilain TK for some time, although probably in limited numbers, considering the truck was over 20 years old at that time. After 1992, AWD was sold to Marshall Aerospace, that continiued producing Bedford trucks until 1998. You can assume that they still produced TKs for demand until 1998? |
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◊ 2022-01-21 16:50 |
In November 1987 - "General Motors has finally withdrawn from UK truck production, selling the Bedford truck and bus plant at Dunstable" - "The entire Bedford range of HGV-trucks and buses, including those withdrawn from the civilian market at the end of 1986, will be relaunched. David JB Brown (AWD) plans to produce around 8,000 trucks next year (1988)". Commercial Motor Archive 26th November 1987. The Dunstable site and associated and business was sold in 1987 to AWD Ltd, - Wikipedia General Motors closed its Dunstable operation in 1987. - Luton News - 6,000 worked at truck plant in boom town Dunstable. |
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◊ 2022-01-21 19:30 |
If AWD continued production of the civilian TK there must have been very few produced, if any. The overall number of AWD trucks produced was very poor and they never got anywhere near making their extremely optimistic range of trucks. From the CM archive; after AWD went into receivership and their assets were sold in October 1992, the initial production at Marshall SPV in 1993 was planned to include the military version of the TL, the MT 4x4, some versions of the TL, TM and the normal control TJ 4x2. In the end they only built the Bedford 4x4s and Marshall's own range of military vehicles, refuse trucks, bus bodies and car transporters. However they did take over from GM the worldwide parts business for all Bedford products over 7.5 tonne. |
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Erkart ◊ 2022-01-21 20:53 |
![[Image: 46431000864_7e1f5fbf9f_b.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/31067/46431000864_7e1f5fbf9f_b.jpg) Well, from what I found, the TJ was the most produced Bedford truck by Marshall, likely due to it's popularity in export markets of the developing world, although it is unlikely they produced more than 1,100 trucks. The TL and TK, and TM did not sold very well, leading Marshall to finally retire the Bedford name for good in 1998. And the Bedford name is now probably in the ownership of Marshall Aerospace, although I doubt they will ever re-use it. The most surprising fact for me is that the TJ was still being bought on, despite being firstly produced in 1958, with it's design being based on the 1953 Bedford A-Type series, that was in turn based on the Chevrolet Advance Design that was produced since 1948, so by time it was discontiniued, it was nearly 50 years old. I really wonder if the Bedford name would still be used today, had the TL and TM ranges sold better. |
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◊ 2022-01-21 21:36 |
See /vehicle_98455-AWD-Bedford-TJ-Series-1988.html . I guess in some (ex-Commonwealth??) countries with primitive roads, poor fuel, and remote workshop garages the TJ could go on forever. Similar situation for things like Peugeot 404 and 504 pickups - simple, solid and easy to fix. |
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◊ 2022-01-22 00:01 |
AWD Trucks and later Marshall Special Vehicles continued to build the TJ series for export until 1998. Hindustan Motors in India made the J5 and J6 from 1968 to 1995. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_TJ Link to "en.wikipedia.org" |
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◊ 2022-01-22 11:43 |
If Marshall SPV only built a total of somewhat more than 1,000 vehicles up to 1998 that's only a fraction of the 6,000 vehicles of their minimum planned capacity specifically for Bedford trucks using single-shift working. The "Bedford" name possibly remained with GM or there was a sharing agreement, as Marshall SPV only won the exclusive rights from General Motors to use the name on its range of vehicles in the UK and Europe. Marshall were also permitted to sell Bedfords in the rest of the world but did not have exclusive use where General Motors still used the name. -- Last edit: 2022-01-22 12:07:28 |
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◊ 2022-01-24 07:11 |
I would say Bedford mj as in thumb 1 still has Griffin badge. |
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