1985 Ford Scorpio MkI

1985 Ford Scorpio MkI in Tatort - Zorn, Movie made for TV, 2019

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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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Gamer ◊ 2019-01-23 19:55	Really ought to have an H-plate at this time. These were rare even ten years ago (when the Abwrackprämie killed off many of Germany's 80s and 90s cars) -- Last edit: 2019-01-23 19:55:29
Mystery Man ◊ 2019-01-23 19:58	It's this one here: https://www.filmauto.de/filmauto/fahrzeug/ford/Ford_155 So probably not the real plate. But still one of my favourite cars.
Ingo ◊ 2019-01-24 00:31	Gamer wrote Really ought to have an H-plate at this time. These were rare even ten years ago (when the Abwrackprämie killed off many of Germany's 80s and 90s cars) That one even more: /vehicle_1228506-Chevrolet-CUCV-M-1008-1984.html The yearly tax for such a tanker is incredible, if it has no catalysator (o.k., this is an US-car, which had them already in the 80ies).
AleX_DJ ◊ 2019-01-24 10:12	I remember when I was very little a family friend had a red Mk.II and many friends and relatives laughed at him, but I always liked it, not only for the appearance, but also because it was very comfortable and roomy
Lateef ◊ 2019-01-24 10:46	I think back then people disliked the MkII only because it looked different and people have a tendency to mock everything that's different. Since the mid-70s and up to the mid-2000s cars in general had very tame, squarish and toned-down styling and this mantra was implanted in people's heads as the norm. Just look at the negative reaction to the AMC Pacer in 1975 for example. The MkII was just one of the few radical and rounded designs of the early-mid 90s that tried breaking the norm (other examples include the Mazda 929 HD, the 91-96 Caprice, the Nissan Leopard/Infiniti J30). Now people basically just like to jump on the bandwagon and call it ugly because Top Gear and others did and it remains the popular opinion - which makes no sense to me, as there are plenty of other cars nowadays that have styling cues that are much more radical, bulbous, aggressive (and to some extent ugly) but you don't hear anyone complain about them... and why? Because the mission is to outdo the other manufacturer in such styling - essentially nothing stands out anymore and people are much more used to radical styling.
Nightrider ◊ 2019-01-24 11:04	Lateef wrote MkII only because it looked different . It looked different because its fishmouth of a front end is radically different from concept of aesthetically pleasing.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2019-01-24 11:36	You miss two points, if I may say so. 1) people were already used to the Sierra’s appearance so the shape of the cars was becoming familiar. 2) the mid life upgrade was gauche, to say the least.
the sad biker ◊ 2019-01-24 11:40	...there's no way [Ford] could raise additional funds by flogging posters of the [Scorpio] to teenagers.[6] Jeremy Clarkson, Clarkson on: the Ford Scorpio, 1998
Lateef ◊ 2019-01-24 11:59	Nightrider wrote It looked different because its fishmouth of a front end is radically different from concept of aesthetically pleasing. On a conventional saloon it's indeed a daring move. The term "fishmouth" may in turn be used for the Jaguar XK and the Aston Martin DB7, but as they're exotic cars that are supposed to have radical styling to begin with, they're safe from such flak. johnfromstaffs wrote 1) people were already used to the Sierra’s appearance so the shape of the cars was becoming familiar. 2) the mid life upgrade was gauche, to say the least. 1) the Sierra was still very boxy and toned down in terms of styling, despite its influential and everlasting effort in encouraging slightly more aerodynamic styling. 2) pardon my French, but that sounds merely like an opinion to me. -- Last edit: 2019-01-24 12:05:41
the sad biker ◊ 2019-01-24 12:42	Sorry Lateef but I think you're trying to defend the indefensible. The various commentators didn't influence public opinion, they merely reflected it, the Aston & Jag both turned out to be good looking cars, the Scorpio was a gopping monstrosity when new (and time hasn't been kind), that's why the buyers stayed away in droves. On modern cars - with a very small number of exceptions (Jag F type coupe + ?), style is almost entirely absent, at least the designers now have the excuse that once their computer is loaded with the various regulations for safety and economy, they have no wiggle room left to add anything other than tasteless corporate identifiers. -- Last edit: 2019-01-24 12:48:19
Nightrider ◊ 2019-01-24 12:48	Lateef wrote On a conventional saloon it's indeed a daring move. The term "fishmouth" may in turn be used for the Jaguar XK and the Aston Martin DB7, but as they're exotic cars that are supposed to have radical styling to begin with, they're safe from such flak. Both XK and DB7 ended up with aggresive appearance helped by pure fact of being streamlined coupes. Scorpio, on other hand, keeps very conservative 3-box saloon shape but with front end, which looks not like predatory grin, but more like stupid smirk. Scorpio Mk1 looks exactly like modest family/low-level executive saloon. MkII... like something "different".
Lateef ◊ 2019-01-24 12:53	I don't tend to discuss this any further. It's tiring and I've heard it all before. As for defending the indefensible, it's a trait I take pride in, but it's a wasted effort on this particular audience.
dsl ◊ 2019-01-24 13:10	Lateef wrote ... it's a wasted effort on this particular audience. Probably on any audience in this case .... If the Scorpio front was actually deliberately designed and not a computer glitch which no-one noticed until it was too late, it must have been another task done by that unknown Ford minion who filled in the VIN form for the first Mustang model year, created the spontaneously exploding Pinto fuel tanks, designed the crippling seats in the Escort Mk5, forgot to put a fuel gauge in Orion Mk3 Ghias, and built the Ka Mk1 rental shitheap I had which had brake failure with 600 miles on the clock. His annual job appraisal reviews would have been interesting ....
Nightrider ◊ 2019-01-24 13:17	dsl wrote Probably on any audience in this case .... You're just a hater of any new and different!
130rapid ◊ 2019-01-24 15:33	Lateef wrote ...there are plenty of other cars nowadays that have styling cues that are much more radical, bulbous, aggressive (and to some extent ugly) but you don't hear anyone complain about them... and why? Ha, I'm not alone. I'd say we're closing to breakpoint on automotive design, similar to what happened in US early 60s. The time of loathful Byzantic tanks - with its swallowing-elephant grilles, bole-thick pillars, the orgy of curves, folds, bells & whistles - must end thankfully. We need the first little (mile)stone to provoke an WOW! avalanche just -> the masterpiece sample of lightweight-look & elegant design of New Era.
Nightrider ◊ 2019-01-24 15:52	130rapid wrote the masterpiece sample of lightweight-look & elegant design of New Era. It will not happen. More probably, cars will become even more forgettable and consumable.
dsl ◊ 2019-01-24 16:04	130rapid wrote We need the first little (mile)stone to provoke an WOW! avalanche just -> the masterpiece sample of lightweight-look & elegant design of New Era. Agree. Possibly some small signs of encouragement from Skoda, Seat, Volvo, maybe Alfa. But pretty well everything else is a bleak landscape of hideously deformed shapes which just scream "Look at me! I'm ugly!".
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2019-01-24 17:43	Lateef wrote 2) pardon my French, but that sounds merely like an opinion to me. I’m just as entitled to my opinions as you are to yours.
Lateef ◊ 2019-01-24 17:53	Right, no denying in that, but in this context you called your opinion a missed point of mine as if it was something factual I overlooked. I can't accept it as it's a an opinion based on your own experience and liking of aesthetics. The Sierra point, however, is a useful and indeed an overlooked point on my behalf which I did choose to address.
Ingo ◊ 2019-01-24 23:02	Nightrider wrote You're just a hater of any new and different! Me too
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2019-01-24 23:05	ingo wrote Me too Good grief Ingo, we agree on something!
Ingo ◊ 2019-01-24 23:06	Lateef wrote I think back then people disliked the MkII only because it looked different and people have a tendency to mock everything that's different... Here you can replace "different" with "American" - people in Europe, especially in Germany, usually dislike cars, styled in American style.

1985 Ford Scorpio MkI

1985 Ford Scorpio MkI in Tatort - Zorn, Movie made for TV, 2019

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