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1965 Fiat 500 F Giardiniera [120F]

1965 Fiat 500 F Giardiniera [120F] in Law & Order: Criminal Intent, TV Series, 2001-2011 Ep. 8.01

Class: Cars, Wagon — Model origin:

1965 Fiat 500 F Giardiniera [120F]

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night cub ◊ 2017-02-18 09:46
AleX_DJ ◊ 2017-02-18 09:47	500 Giardiniera
dsl ◊ 2017-02-18 13:52	help please! This is not a particularly imcdb question - we have our system and it works so let's keep it as it is - but I'm confused by all the names used for 500 estates and vans in the big wide world and particularly for diecast models. For instance 1] Giardiniera seems to be used as the main title for estates, but is also used to describe some vans 2] Giardinetta is used for some estates - what's the difference of these from Giardiniera estates?? 3] Jardiniaire seems a French name for Giardiniera - was it used anywhere else? 4] Furgoncino seems a dedicated name used only on vans. Were these any different from Giardiniera vans?? -- Last edit: 2017-02-18 14:21:54
AleX_DJ ◊ 2017-02-18 14:10	dsl wrote help please! For what I know, the question should be as following (better wait for someone more expert like electra225 to confirm this, anyway): - Giardiniera was the standard wagon version of the 500, called Jardiniere in France (don't know about other countries) - Furgoncino was the panel van version, launched together with the normal Giardiniera, called in Italy 'Commerciale' (Furgoncino should have been the export name) The car was rebadged as an Autobianchi in March 1968 (simply called Autobianchi Giardiniera), which produced it until 1977. About the name 'Giardinetta' I've got no knowledge of an official use by Fiat. The name was a trade mark of the Carrozzeria Viotti, which created some custom wagon versions of Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo cars from 1946 up to 1964: for this reason, Fiat couldn't use it already when launching the estate version of the 500B Topolino in 1948 (called the Giardiniera Belvedere). -- Last edit: 2017-02-18 14:25:56
dsl ◊ 2017-02-18 14:56	Thanks - very helpful, and the additional explanation of Commerciale. My problem may just be that toy car makers do not always use exact titles. And is it definite that all Giardiniera/Furgoncino had rear hinged doors until production finished?? Or did some front-hinged emerge just before the end?? Mildly interesting also that Autobianchi name did appear in UK, which goes against most accounts. We never got a normal 500 van, but did get the Bianchina 500 van 1961-70, with Autobianchi badging on the early ones at least. Also the Giardiniera estate became the Autobianchi 500 here from 1968 - Link to "www.ebay.co.uk" , Link to "www.ebay.co.uk"
AleX_DJ ◊ 2017-02-18 18:39	I believe there weren't versions with front-hinged doors, because even the latest Autobianchi cars of the late 70s have got rear-hinged ones (for example: Link to "www.ooyyo.com") I didn't know about the Autobianchi version sold in the UK. I did a quick search and it seems that it was marketed anyway as a Fiat (with front Fiat badge replacing the Autobianchi one) and retained the name Autobianchi in the model name (full name should have been Fiat Autobianchi 500 Estate, like this one http://www.simoncars.co.uk/fiat/slides/Fiat%20500%20Giardiniera%20front.jpg)
night cub ◊ 2017-02-18 19:01	I figured out where this was shot, and according to them, it is a 1964 model: "A 1964 Fiat Giardiniera station wagon serves as a display case for a selection of wine from Burgundy and Italy." Link to "www.remodelista.com"
electra225 ◊ 2017-02-18 22:25	F and Not D. Higher windscreen, lask of chrome on the hood and on the doors.
electra225 ◊ 2017-02-18 22:33	dsl wrote help please! This is not a particularly imcdb question - we have our system and it works so let's keep it as it is - but I'm confused by all the names used for 500 estates and vans in the big wide world and particularly for diecast models. For instance 1] Giardiniera seems to be used as the main title for estates, but is also used to describe some vans 2] Giardinetta is used for some estates - what's the difference of these from Giardiniera estates?? 3] Jardiniaire seems a French name for Giardiniera - was it used anywhere else? 4] Furgoncino seems a dedicated name used only on vans. Were these any different from Giardiniera vans?? In the 40s "Giardinetta" was the most common Italian nickname to say Wagon (as British used or use to say "Estate", Germans say "Kombi" and French say "Break"). Later Alfa used this name for Alfasuds and early 33s wagons. "Giardiniera" was the official name for Fiats 500 wagons but more than one used this word to intend "Wagon" as well. In a famous US movie of the 60s, The Slender thread" The Italian translation of the speach describes a 1964 Buick Special station wagon as "a Buick Giardiniera"... I hope I was clear. -- Last edit: 2017-02-19 17:28:31
electra225 ◊ 2017-02-18 22:34	AleX_DJ wrote For what I know, the question should be as following (better wait for someone more expert like electra225 to confirm this, anyway): - Giardiniera was the standard wagon version of the 500, called Jardiniere in France (don't know about other countries) - Furgoncino was the panel van version, launched together with the normal Giardiniera, called in Italy 'Commerciale' (Furgoncino should have been the export name) The car was rebadged as an Autobianchi in March 1968 (simply called Autobianchi Giardiniera), which produced it until 1977. About the name 'Giardinetta' I've got no knowledge of an official use by Fiat. The name was a trade mark of the Carrozzeria Viotti, which created some custom wagon versions of Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo cars from 1946 up to 1964: for this reason, Fiat couldn't use it already when launching the estate version of the 500B Topolino in 1948 (called the Giardiniera Belvedere). CONGRATULATION, ALEX YOU ARE RIGHT !!! ICH GRATULIERE DICH. DU HAST RECHT !!!
electra225 ◊ 2017-02-18 22:37	dsl wrote Thanks - very helpful, and the additional explanation of Commerciale. My problem may just be that toy car makers do not always use exact titles. And is it definite that all Giardiniera/Furgoncino had rear hinged doors until production finished?? Or did some front-hinged emerge just before the end?? Mildly interesting also that Autobianchi name did appear in UK, which goes against most accounts. We never got a normal 500 van, but did get the Bianchina 500 van 1961-70, with Autobianchi badging on the early ones at least. Also the Giardiniera estate became the Autobianchi 500 here from 1968 - Link to "www.ebay.co.uk" , Link to "www.ebay.co.uk" Yes, EVERY 500 Giardiniera (Fiat and Autobianchi) had raer hinged doors because a law that had outlawed then on most cars had an exception on small engined wagons and vans. I read this in a German book of the early 80s (Alle Fiat Automobile). -- Last edit: 2017-02-19 17:28:10
dsl ◊ 2017-02-18 23:14	Thanks - I think I understand it now. Moral of the story - toy/model car makers do not always accurately describe what they're modelling. Maybe they don't check imcdb enough .....
AleX_DJ ◊ 2017-02-18 23:47	electra225 wrote CONGRATULATION, ALEX YOU ARE RIGHT !!! ICH GRATULIERE DICH. DU HAST RECHT !!! Danke, electra225!
electra225 ◊ 2017-02-19 12:07	It is a pleasure !

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