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1958 Aveling-Barford MG 4X4 grader

1958 Aveling-Barford MG 4X4 in John Turner M.P., Short Movie, 1962 IMDB

Class: Others, Construction & Engineering vehicle — Model origin: UK

1958 Aveling-Barford MG 4X4 grader

Position 00:15:24 [*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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dsl SX

2016-09-20 22:18

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VDA 778 = early 1958. Spent ages trying to work out the badge scripts -
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.... eventually decided Welling Bamford or similar, which I then googled and found a reference to 1960s Matchbox #43 as Welling Barford. However most sources call it Aveling Barford. Unable to find anything else obvious which refers to Welling Barford as a definite make (it would be a new make for us for instance), so did it exist?? And looking again very closely at lettering in pics, seems could easily be Aveling as much as Welling. And we've loads of Aveling Barfords.

mike962

2016-09-20 22:26

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poor DSL, this evil graders are hard to ID... :D


ok this is an american Austin-Western
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7103/13186435913_a3d2c76efb_b.jpg

BUT
they were licenced build in uk and sold as Aveling-Austin

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and there is NO "Welling Bamford "

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mike962

2016-09-20 22:30

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but could have been branded just as Aveling-Barford like this suggests

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/the-digger-blog/view/motor-grading-back-in-time

more info here,
http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?8397-another-field-find/page2

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dsl SX

2016-09-20 22:36

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mike962 wrote poor DSL, this evil graders are hard to ID... :D

Dead right - they are really really really evil. Your kind words are appreciated, and the nurse says it's good to have such kind people on the forum.

Am confident that second word starts with B.....

mike962

2016-09-20 22:40

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Chill out DSL , if you want ID nightmares try forklifts :D

dsl SX

2016-09-20 22:41

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No thanks. Rally Escorts was bad enough ..

Gamer DE

2016-09-21 10:08

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How about some 20s-40s cars?

johnfromstaffs EN

2016-09-21 10:52

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This film was made in 1962. The attrition of cars of the dates you mention had begun by then, and most of such cars had gone. My family's last prewar car, a 1939 CitroŽn Traction Avant, went in 1955 in favour of a new Morris. The annual test of roadworthiness, introduced in 1960, swept away a lot of old and poorly maintained cars at a stroke. Having been around since 1948, I find most British thirties cars no problem, and the British cars of the forties were little different until '48/'49 when the new postwar designs hit the roads. No cars were built for private use between the years 1940 to 1945, but tillies and trucks, and small quantities of saloon cars and vans were built under control of the Ministry of Supply.

Early twenties cars can be difficult, and trying to call coachbuilt cars from rear views is almost impossible since the same body could be used on several different marques. Cars foreign to Britain were discouraged by government policy, see McKenna duties and Horsepower Tax, so most foreign cars, especially American ones, are a closed book to me.

I don't waste time looking up the makes of cars I don't instantly recognise, but having pinned down the marque from memory, will then hit the books and the Internet to identify accurately the models and years of production.

Buses and coaches are fun.

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AB_Machines UK

2017-05-22 14:39

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Can anyone tell me if all the grader photos are of the same machine .Including the side view with Tarmac on the side.??
It's a bit strange because the heavy graders, 99H, Pacer 400, 99H/400 etc all had a heavy cast radiator cowl with Aveling Austin cast into the cowl.
This machine has a tin radiator cowl with Aveling Barford on it. This is therefore a Medium grader, which were of Aveling Barford design, not made under licence from Austin Western.
Like the 99H, it's a 4X4.
I didn't know Tarmac had any of these.

dsl SX

2017-05-22 16:04

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AB_Machines wrote Can anyone tell me if all the grader photos are of the same machine. Including the side view with Tarmac on the side??

As it was "my" film, I can confirm all pictures are part of same onscreen sequence so presented as same machine. Always possible that mischievous film makers splice clips together to mislead us, but to my non-expert eye details like wheels with bigger at front and cabin door tied open plus similar ground and debris suggest only one machine shown.

AB_Machines UK

2017-05-22 22:59

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Thanks for the information. I agree, the machine and location are the same. In that case, the grader is definitely an Aveling Barford MG 4X4.
The VDA 774 number plate was issued in the wolverhampton area of England, which was where Tarmacs Headquarters was. So it all ties up nicely. Ok to use the photos on my Facebook page?

dsl SX

2017-05-22 23:12

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Fine by me. What's the FB page link for those in our merry band of truthseekers who might want to investigate??

AB_Machines UK

2017-05-23 00:01

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There seemed to be a lot of inaccurate stuff written about my old company Aveling Barford, and I was asked to supply Graces Guide ( gracesguide.co.uk)with some good information.
On there are lists of the Aveling Barford machines produced since 1945, although I have only done the Rollers and Dumpers so far.
I also started a Facebook page Aveling Barford Machines, with photos of all the machines from 1945 onwards.
It also has descriptions and brief specifications of each model. Most of the 90 or so machines are on there now.
there are other A-B pages on facebook, but only one with all the data. https://www.facebook.com/Aveling-Barford-Machines-1892576694295646/ The page is a series of Albums, so ignore the timeline and head for the various albums.

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