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1939 AEC Regent

1939 AEC Regent in Market Town, Short Movie, 1942 IMDB

Class: Bus, Double-deck — Model origin: UK

1939 AEC Regent

Position 00:09:29 [*] Background vehicle

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Sunbar UK

2016-04-14 17:29

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'FNN 749' Nottingham?

Or alternates FRM FRN FHM FHN etc but nothing seems likely?

dsl SX

2016-04-14 19:02

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FNN 749 = late 1939. None of the others look likely - wrong dates for 1942 film or not local area.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2016-04-14 20:11

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A front entrance double deck bus in Nottinghamshire suggests Barton Transport, who, in 1939 bought some Leyland Titan TD5 front entrance d/d with Duple coachwork. I cannot, however, prove it to my own satisfaction since I am unable to find any prewar references, or photographs.

If there are any Barton experts reading this, please help, or knock me off my perch.

stevea EN

2016-04-14 21:51

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Livery doesn't look Barton to me. Without much justification I thought Mansfield District, then I found a photograph of Mansfield 117 (GNN665), a 1945 built Daimler CWA6 with a utilty Duple body.( midway down http://midlandgeneralomnibus.weebly.com/mansfield-district-buses.html ) FNN749 is clearly prewar, but there's no guarantee it's a Daimler! Working on it......

I've discounted Gash of Newark because the livery doesn't look right (Gash were known in later years for running elderly Daimler deckers), but they did take delivery of two Daimler deckers before war broke out.

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stevea EN

2016-04-14 22:57

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The five TD5s bought by Barton in 1939 had forward entrance *lowbridge* bodies by Duple, according to Doug Jack's 'Leyland Bus'. This doesn't look lowbridge to me. The same source notes that to meet wartime shortages Barton had 20 second hand TD1s rebodied by Duple to L28/27F layout! Sadly no photographs.

Check out https://uk.pinterest.com/val5410/barton-transport-civility-and-service/ for an assortment of Barton vehicles, some of around the right age, but nothing specific.

johnfromstaffs EN

2016-04-14 23:11

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I agree with your assessment that it doesn't look lowbridge, I can't comment on prewar Barton livery as I don't know enough so to do. Outside of the BMMO I don't recall many front entrance double deckers, and those curved windows and 'tween decks ventilators must mean something to someone, not to mention the rear bumper.

West Bridgford UDC had some FNN deckers, but I can't see them in Newark.

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stevea EN

2016-04-14 23:53

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Hmm - found some discussion that records Mansfield District route 208 went from Mansfield to Newark via Upton in 1962. Not proven. http://www.old-bus-tickets.co.uk/?p=238

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Sunbar UK

2016-04-15 11:57

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Mansfield District is more than likely correct...

[Image: districtadj.jpg]
Xxxxxxxx District company name is visible.

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Sunbar UK

2016-04-17 13:41

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Mansfield District AEC chassis with Metropolitan-Cammell Weymann rear-platform type bodies as supplied in 1932 as background information; clearly an earlier design than that in the movie, but the AEC-MCW connection may have been extended later?

Mansfield changes from trams to buses 1932
Mansfield's new buses 1932

No details found to date regarding pre-war front entrance bodies being supplied to Mansfield District, unless they were purchased by a previous bus company and absorbed or assigned to Mansfield District?

Sunbar UK

2016-04-17 14:18

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Found confirmation of AEC Regent chassis.

Michael Elliot's comment in Old Bus Photos. The use of forward entrance double deckers in the East Midlands before World War II was not confined to Barton. Midland General/Mansfield District on AEC Regents were users of front entrance layouts also.

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