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1950 Hotchkiss M-201 'Jeep'

1950 Hotchkiss M-201 in Shameless, TV Series, 2004-2013 IMDB Ep. 2.04

Class: Cars, Off-road / SUV — Model origin: US — Built in: FR — Made for: F

1950 Hotchkiss M-201 'Jeep'

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

Owner of this vehicle: jeepmadkev

Comments about this vehicle

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antp BE

2016-03-03 21:19

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XFF225 = Jeep (Light 4x4 Utility)

✔ SORN
MOT
Exempt

Vehicle make
JEEP
Date of first registration
02 October 1980
Year of manufacture
1950
Cylinder capacity (cc)
3500cc
Fuel type
PETROL
Vehicle colour
GREEN

Interesting "MOT exempt"; old-timer?

I suppose it is what we list as « Willys MB 'Jeep' » ?

Sandie SX

2016-03-03 21:22

No MOTs any more on pre-1960 cars.

eLMeR MH

2016-03-04 05:17

If I'm not mistaken,
antp wrote [...]
Year of manufacture
1950
[...]

means that it should be a 1949-53 CJ-3A or a 1950-52 M38. It has indeed the 9-hole grille of the 1941-45 MB, but one may also see several heavy modifications which could lead to think that there is in fact not a lot of genuine parts left on it. Even the addition of a bigger engine (a Rover 3500, as often used in British modified / kit cars?) apparently needed the hood to be redone...
Could it be "just" a modified 1950 Willys CJ-3A / M38 with the grille of a former model?

dsl SX

2016-03-04 14:48

This is a messy one to untangle. XFF plates were not issued in period, but used by DVLA for recent registrations of old things. 3500cc suggests Rover V8 as mentioned as the most obvious candidate. If there was no reference to 1950, I'd happily suggest some sort of modern (1980 because of registration date?) replica body (eg Jago or whatever) which were usually based on Fords (Escort/Cortina/Transit etc). But the 1950 info may just refer to use of an old frame/chassis within a modern build, and that could be from anything - maybe a dead Landie???

So is there anything visible which looks authentic 1950 Jeep instead of a modern workshop build?? I've tried googling the plate+Jeep+Shameless and drawn a blank, apart from 2 unanswered specialist forum requests for info - http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=162&t=39041 , http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?7032-Jeep-in-Shameless . The lack of response suggests it may be a fake.

The only other point I can think of is that the LHD is unexpected for a UK rebuild - whatever it would be based on here would normally be RHD.

4x4peru US

2016-03-05 03:21

Based on what can be seen it would be safe to call this an MB that has been modified. The builder/(owner?) is clearly attempting to replicate an MB by the specific choice of grille & hood. The axles appear to be replacement parts as most of the rest of the drive line should be if modified to 3500 Rover. Modifying the hood for clearance is not unusual but this style is unusual to me. No indication that any part is from an M38 (no aux batt cover, no tool slots, no aux power port). No indication of WILLYS on the hood side of a CJ3A. A better view of the driver side for fuel filler would point toward the MB vs CJ3A. Perhaps the body is replacement fiberglass? If documentation says otherwise fine but looking at the pictures this represents an MB.

antp BE

2016-03-05 17:45

So you would list it as "modified" Willys MB ?

eLMeR MH

2016-03-06 23:16

The 1950 manufacture year can't make it an MB, which production was terminated in 1945. As said by dsl, most likely an unidentifiable chassis with an MB appearance.
For me, a (to be created?) Replica class should be given, for this kind of vehicles...

4x4peru US

2016-03-07 00:32

Based on the photos, yes I would list this a modified Willys MB. Clearly the builder/owner went to great effort to make it represent an MB. The only thing counter to that is paperwork of a 65+ year old vehicle saying it is a 1950 chassis. I have seen many and owned many others that had the incorrect year on the title etc... Often they are "exempt" due to age and a clerk fills out a form. Without the plate bringing 1950 into question this is a modified MB.

dsl SX

2016-03-07 00:55

I can't add anything further which moves us forward usefully.

"XFF 225 is a Green 1980 Jeep with a numberplate first registered in Merionethshire. This Unknown was first used on the road on Thursday 2nd October 1980. XFF225 has also previously been associated with JHE 413W." goes to "The numberplate JHE413W would have been registered in Sheffield in 1980."

XFF 225 passed its most recent MOT after an initial fail on 26 June 2008, apparently "with 5,048 miles on the clock"

Jago Geeps (as its correct spelling) can end up looking like almost anything, depending what their builders decided to do. And other people probably made replica bodies as well - Jago is just the most obvious name.

Purely hypothetical, but my best guess is that someone made a Jago or Jago-ish jeep based on a wrecked 1980 something registered in Sheffield, possibly fitting a Rover V8. But they used significant components from a 1950 something-else in the build (chassis/drivetrain etc) to get a 1950 date to make re-registration with an "older" plate possible, plus easier MOT/classic road tax regimes. But I don't really understand why - from that narrative - it becomes LHD. So not a solid theory by any means.

However if someone had imported a flashy US ready-built special, none of the plate info makes sense - all the data would be different. So I think we can say it's a UK built mongrel.

Sandie SX

2016-03-07 02:23

Maybe as another possible theory it's a Willys MB body mounted on the chassis of something else as an off-road toy? For the kit car theory LHD (as mentioned) doesn't really fit and that's ignoring how it looks a lot more like the real thing than the suggested Jago (though of course it could be another closer look-a-like shell). We've seen all sorts of errors with re-registrations before so the 1950 date may just be an error. How would something imported in 1980 registered on a then current plate (common in the 80s) with a subsequent application for an age related plate appear on the DVLA register?

With this I think the only way we will get a definitive answer is if someone pops up and says 'hey, that's my car' and tells us the story.

-- Last edit: 2016-03-07 02:37:14

Sandie SX

2016-03-07 02:39

Thinking a bit more, I don't think it was possible for a kit car to carry the identities of two possible donors? Anything like that ended up on a Q plate... Not sure if it tells us anything but a check for JHE413W on the Auto Trader webpage returns the same '1980 Jeep' info so it seems both plates belonged to this vehicle at one point (rather than a donor car).

Just tried out a few XFF plates on checking sites and they seem to have been issued in Late 1994 (cf XFF224 and XFF228).

dsl SX

2016-03-07 05:02

I started playing about with JHE 41xW plates, which seem to contain a batch of 4x4s

Registration JHE411W
Make DAIHATSU
Model F50
Description RV H/T
Fuel Type Diesel

Registration JHE412W
Make HOTCHKISS WILLYS
Model UNKNOWN

Registration JHE415W
Make LAND ROVER
Model UNKNOWN

No entry on that site for JHE 413W or 414W, but AutoTrader has 414W as a green 1980 Jeep (as Sandie's comment above for 413W). 416W was a Ford Cargo truck.

The only DVLA entry is for JHE 412W
✗ Untaxed Tax due: 01 April 1997
MOT Exempt
Vehicle make HOTCHKISS WILLYS
Date of first registration 02 October 1980
Year of manufacture 1950
Cylinder capacity (cc) 2199cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Vehicle status Not taxed
Vehicle colour GREEN

So was there a batch of 3 1950 Hotchkiss Willys registered in Sheffield in 1980 with consecutive plates JHE 412W to 414W possibly as restored imports, with our 413W later being turned into this shiny shiny pimpmobile, while its two compadres have suffered unknown fates (which could be anything from scrapping to re-registration)??

antp BE

2016-03-10 19:15

Interesting that there is a Hotchkiss with a close plate... Indeed maybe they imported several old Jeeps for restoration, and this one was made with remaining parts after another was rebuilt completely with some parts of the others?

Maybe we could list it under our generic "Custom Made".

-- Last edit: 2016-03-10 19:15:38

jeepmadkev UK

2017-01-07 00:35

quick hi
just found this site and this is my hotckiss jeep it was decommissioned in 1980 and was and was bought from france in 1995[Image: 14316984_10208820324018862_6557905608556977489_n.jpg]


-- Last edit: 2017-01-07 00:39:51

antp BE

2017-01-29 18:45

Hi,
Thanks for your comment and the picture!
Sorry for not commenting sooner

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