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unknown

unknown in Ombre et lumière, Movie, 1951 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: UK

unknown

Position 00:13:01 [*] Background vehicle

Comments about this vehicle

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dsl SX

2015-09-05 01:52

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Almost a Morgan, but not quite and film date several years too early for this flowing shape, and the straight door was Plus 4 DHC only which was more upright shape, though date just about possible. Any chance of a late-30s big MG by Tickford (SA/VA/WA)???

DidierF FR

2015-09-05 02:59

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I let you specialists debate. It's the last item looking for identification in this movie, your responsability is enormous!

dsl SX

2015-09-05 03:22

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Not so fast, M'sieur. Before you sit back in your comfy leather armchair and pour yourself a cognac, you have to provide an assurance that this is not something French and coachbuilt. I agree it looks probably UK, but the Hardcore Brit Specialist Squad (codename jfs) should only be activated for Brit things. If this turns out to be something like ... (oooh - picks exotic French name at random) ... a Delahaye, there will be Big Big consequences.

dsl SX

2015-09-05 03:24

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PS - I'll also throw Alvis into the ring as a possibility, and then run away quickly before the Specialist Squad arrive.

DidierF FR

2015-09-05 03:45

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Ah merde… pas moyen de se défausser…

Mmmh… (puff-puff… sip… sip…) mmh-no, see, zose front fenders, see, zey can't be French… Mmmh… (puff-puff… sip… sip…)

dsl SX

2015-09-05 04:21

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OK, the bugles have been blown and messengers sent to the lands beyond the Dark Mountains .....

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-09-05 08:41

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And have not been heard at 3.21 in the morning, BST, for sure.

I struggle to recognise anything about this car, especially the bonnet line which is apparently lower than the top of the front wings which eliminates the MG models suggested, as their Wolseley derived engines mean a higher line, being very tall.

I suspect that Alvis may be a good shout, but cannot find an exact match, especially as most later thirties cars have dual sidemounts.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2015-09-05 22:29

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Having spent too much time in the books, and on the inter-web, trying to find this thing to my eternal shame I think that it's time to admit defeat. If, however, it is possible to find another image, the investigation can reopen.

I think I have eliminated Daimler, it isn't a Double Six 50; MG and AC, Bucciali, Bentley SS and Salmson, and maybe the two French grand routiers of the period. I don't think it's a Lagonda either.

Didier, you must give up smoking, DSL, I'm not sure that there is anything that you could describe as a mountain between lowland Scotland and Staffs.

dsl SX

2015-09-05 23:50

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Poetic licence - Dark Big Hills doesn't sound quite as dramatic.

@jfs - you've eliminated a long list, so one day maybe someone somewhere somehow will fill in the blank. As Alvis is still - apparently - on the table, I'm tempted to call this Alvis unknown to give it a better chance of being stumbled across than if it disappears into the big soup of plain unknowns. OK with you??

DidierF FR

2015-09-06 05:31

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That was the moment I first saw it, at the end of the line of sight. I'm afraid I have nothing else to offer.

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-09-06 08:29

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Two big problems exist. The first is the general low build, compare it with M. Le Trenchcoat behind, the second is the body shape which does not match any series production of which I can think. So if we accept a coachbuilt body, then we must accept also that there would be no way of identifying the chassis maker without a view of the front, and then no certainty in some cases.

I am therefore reluctant to see this as an Alvis, or anything else, unless somebody knows this body shape.

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