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1986 CitroŽn BX 4TC

1986 CitroŽn BX 4TC in Too Fast To Race, Documentary, 1997 IMDB

Class: Cars, Hatchback — Model origin: FR

1986 CitroŽn BX 4TC

[*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

Comments about this vehicle

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Weasel1984 PL

2007-01-30 22:25

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[Image: bx4tcguh7.7590.jpg]

antp BE

2007-01-30 22:37

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Finally one on the site :)
Due to its rarity, I wonder if we will some day see one in a movie rather than in a rallye/car documentary.

Weasel1984 PL

2007-01-30 22:42

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antp wrote Finally one on the site :)
Due to its rarity, I wonder if we will some day see one in a movie rather than in a rallye/car documentary.

I guess that it is rather impossible, unfortunately.

antp BE

2007-01-30 22:50

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Why impossible? We had some more rare cars on the site, there are some of these 4TC that belong to private owners ;)

BeanBandit FI

2007-01-30 23:08

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Massive front overhang.

carchasesfanatic ES

2007-01-30 23:10

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Was this a version to sell to people or only a rally version?

BeanBandit FI

2007-01-30 23:13

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Homologation version, 200 had to be made to race on Group B, compared to 5000 cars on Group A and N.

antp BE

2007-01-30 23:15

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From what I have read, 200 were supposed to be made. They sold 86 and destroyed most of the remaining ones when they retired from group B (as this category was banned shortly after that the car was made). Around 40 still exist.

carchasesfanatic ES

2007-01-30 23:31

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They were destroyed when what?

antp BE

2007-01-30 23:38

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Like the GS Birotor, another "failure" (or abandonned project) of the company: I guess it costs less to destroy "few" cars than have to provides parts and repairs for them (and maybe also that these 4TC were hard to sell).
GM did the same with the EV1, cf /movie_489037-Who-Killed-the-Electric-Car.html

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carchasesfanatic ES

2007-01-30 23:48

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oh i understand now, thanks :)

Neptune US

2007-01-31 00:06

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antp wrote Like the GS Birotor, another "failure" (or abandonned project) of the company: I guess it costs less to destroy "few" cars than have to provides parts and repairs for them (and maybe also that these 4TC were hard to sell).
GM did the same with the EV1, cf /movie_489037-Who-Killed-the-Electric-Car.html





There were lots of rumors that Ford Motor Company (some which were claimed to come from Ford itself) that they (Ford) were going to buy back and destroyed all the Ford Explorers that they could possibly get. Different methods were purposedÖ

Plan "B" : Mandatory Permanent Recall (MPR)

Method #1: Collect all Ford Explorers as possible/ Set aside one Ford Assembly Factory for disassembly of the vehicles.

Method #2: Collect all Ford Explorers as possible / Set aside several acres of land for a makeshift graveyard. (Not very efficient, but a proposal nonetheless)

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These were methods purposed when Ford was being confronted with the possibility that the First and Second Generation Ford Explorer SUVsí were not safe and posed a hazard to those in and around them.

Weasel1984 PL

2007-01-31 02:27

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antp wrote Why impossible? We had some more rare cars on the site, there are some of these 4TC that belong to private owners ;)

Ok 'impossible' isn't a good word ;) , but for example the 205 T16 was more common, much more successful (for some people it is even a cult car), and what? 20 years and we have it only in one movie (at least here) as a background vehicle.

DIEHARD NL

2007-01-31 08:30

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Nice find! :king:

I have seen about 4 4TCs in the last few years, all on shows and most where for sale. They are road legal, so you actually could run into one. Although I admit the chances are not very great.


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bref FR

2007-01-31 09:18

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antp wrote From what I have read, 200 were supposed to be made. They sold 86 and destroyed most of the remaining ones when they retired from group B (as this category was banned shortly after that the car was made). Around 40 still exist.


Not physically destroyed in my opinion. Lot of theme went for sale without title (carte grise), new or quite new, and sometime for a low price...I won't be surprised to learn in a couple of years that many are still alive.

CitroŽn is used to this practice (title destruction). Same thing happened with GS Birotor. Lot of theme were kept without title, then came back on the road on their 25th anniversary with a "carte grise de collection"... :D

datsunZ IT

2007-01-31 15:27

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I believe that BX 4 TC project was abandoned 'cause PSA will prefer to push forward the development of Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evo(and beginning that of next to come 405 Turbo 16),but if B-Group era was next to end

PS Own a Majorette 1/55 circa model miniature of it,white with "Double Chevrons"on red background decals

antp BE

2007-01-31 17:47

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I have that model auto too.
Recently there were BX4 TC at 1/43th scale in the Altaya collection "Voitures de Rallye" and in the Atlas collection "Passion CitroŽn" (civilian version)

Was this projec really abandonned because of Peugeot? I thought that the BX 4TC was released (too late) after the 205/405 T16, a little before the end of that whole group B category.

Weasel1984 PL

2007-01-31 17:53

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I have a compilation of french reportages from 1980's rallies (84-86), where we can see this car in 'action', however it is rather not good idea to add them here, because even if they came on DVD they aren't a real movie.

This ~1/55 BX 4TC looked good with Majorette Visa Chrono from the same period. :D

I agree, that Peugeot wasn't the reason - the 4TC was simply... not good car, the idea was out of date (engine at the front, too big body etc.) - Citroen even if would like, couldn't develop this car and change it to a serious competitor for 205 or Delta. So because the 1986 Acropolis rally was a complete disaster for BX 4TC and everyone already known that Gr. B will be cancelled with new 1987 season, Citroen ended its adventure with rallies.

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DIEHARD NL

2007-02-02 09:14

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Weasel1984 wrote
I agree, that Peugeot wasn't the reason - the 4TC was simply... not good car, the idea was out of date (engine at the front, too big body etc.) - Citroen even if would like, couldn't develop this car and change it to a serious competitor for 205 or Delta. So because the 1986 Acropolis rally was a complete disaster for BX 4TC and everyone already known that Gr. B will be cancelled with new 1987 season, Citroen ended its adventure with rallies.


It was not that either. There where some severe crashes in the season before. The Rally federation decided to change the rules for rallye cars the next season. To put safety on higher standards. Because the 4TC was desgined for the old rules it could not compete any more without changing the majority of parts at the cars. It had nothing to do with a 205 or with the car not preforming well.
By the way the engine they used was the same as from the 505 Turbo. To make it fit the front had been extended.

antp wrote I have that model auto too.
Recently there were BX4 TC at 1/43th scale in the Altaya collection "Voitures de Rallye" and in the Atlas collection "Passion CitroŽn" (civilian version).


I have to other model too, it is from Majorette I think. I am still looking for the Atlas and ALtaya though.

Weasel1984 PL

2007-02-02 17:05

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DIEHARD wrote It was not that either. There where some severe crashes in the season before. The Rally federation decided to change the rules for rallye cars the next season.

I've wrote about it ;) , of course that it was one of the reasons, but even if the Gr. B wouldn't be canceled this car wouldn't have chances to win in such form/shape, and Citroen would need a completely new, more compact car. At the end of Gr. B even Audi Sport quattro S1 (to which BX was a bit similar) had problems and wasn't competitive to a new generation of rally cars (S4, 205 Evo II).

ShantJ US

2011-01-06 03:02

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It's ugly, but I'd love one. :love:

Sandie SX

2011-04-04 19:15

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The vehicle details for B85 BVP are:

Date of Liability 01 11 1997
Date of First Registration 24 07 1986
Year of Manufacture 1986
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 2141CC
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE

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