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1962 Ferrari 250 GTO [3757GT] 
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◊ 2014-11-27 11:32 |
Ferrari 250 GTO |
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◊ 2014-11-27 19:30 |
Finding a red GTO with #22 in a recognised event has been more difficult than finding a 3-jib crane. One near miss which at first looked possible was #4153GT at the 64 Le Mans test day (Ecurie Francorchamps team, Pierre Dumay/Gérald Langlois van Ophem) but no colour specified; however this is a well-known car with several race appearances in silver, so discarded. This leaves my best suggestion as #3943GT at the 1966 Paris 1000Km (Robert Neyret/Jacques Terramorsi, finished 3rd) - an extensively raced car until 67 and always red; recent liveries include #22 - Link to "www.conceptcarz.com" - but without now a yellow stripe. And nothing found to confirm if 1966 Paris 1000km car had yellow stripe or not. #3223GT had some appearances with #22, but these were early 63 in US while painted blue. |
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◊ 2014-11-28 08:13 |
Seems to be Léon Dernier/Jean Blaton at Le Mans 1962. Today Nick Mason's car? /vehicles_make-Ferrari_model-3757LM.html -- Last edit: 2014-11-28 08:32:44 |
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◊ 2014-11-28 13:34 |
Well spotted. I rejected it because the Nick Mason car (despite showing #22 in lots of photos) is a "330 GTO" with triple side vents and apparently made in 63 so could not be at 62 Le Mans. But seems it started as a normal 3-litre 250 GTO which arrived at 62 Le Mans brand new (and finished 3rd) and then got the 330 GTO upgrade with 4-litre engine sometime in 63 or afterwards - sources are very vague on this, often referring to 3757GT as 3-litre through to present day. Some 1962 photos: Link to "www.facebook.com" , http://finemodelcars.com/ferrari-250-gto-collection/ferrari-3757gt.php , Link to "www.ferraridatabase.com" DVLA for 250 GTO says ✔ Taxed Tax due: 01 March 2015 ✔ MOT Expires: 02 June 2015 Date of first registration :19 March 1964 Year of manufacture :1964 Cylinder capacity (cc) :3993cc Export marker : No Vehicle status : Tax not due Vehicle colour :RED .. which is misleading - car is older than 64; did not get 250 GTO plate until mid-late 70s (I think just before Mason bought it in 78 for £35,000) - seems various temporary foreign plates from new until arrived in UK early 64 and given 4 HLY. |
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◊ 2015-08-02 10:44 |
Lots of bad info in this thread. The car in the photograph is 3757GT, not 3757LM. All 3 liter Series I 250 GTO's had a "GT" suffix, not "LM." This is the car owned by Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason since 1978. The car in the picture is wearing the livery that 3757GT wore when it ran in the 1962 24 Hours of Le Mans. No 250 GTO was ever "upgraded" by the factory to 330 GTO specifications. 3 cars exist today that are referred to as 330 GTO's, all wearing Series I body work. 3673SA is a 400 Superamerica with a Series I body and a 4 liter engine. 4561SA is also a 400 Superamerica with a 4 liter engine. 3765LM is a modified 400 Superamerica chassis with the 4 liter engine and Series I body work. 3765LM was purpose-built as an experimental 330 GTO. 3673SA was built as kind of a test car, and 4561SA was built for some big wheel at the Pont-a-Musson transmission company. Those are the only three cars classified as 330 GTO's and none of them are "upgraded," they were built that way. 3757GT has never been "upgraded" and it has never had a 4 liter engine in it. The history on all 39 GTO's is well known and easy to check. |
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◊ 2015-08-02 14:55 |
The info given has several reputable sources. The histories are as you say well known and extensive, but do not - as this case shows - provide consistent evidence/descriptions/terminology at detail level. Both 3757GT and 3757LM numbering is used depending on source. None of our 4 pages about this car claim that it was factory built/upgraded as a 330 GTO, simply that it has been upgraded to 330 GTO spec, with significant changes to mechanical and body features from "standard" 250 GTO format. Info entered on imcdb is always evolving as we try to present the best possible account, often as in this case when there is no single truth out there. So your info on the 3 factory 330 GTOs is well worth having, and it would still be interesting to discover who upgraded this car to 330 GTO spec and when, as that info is not readily apparent in any source I've seen. The existence of different information does not mean that the information we've entered is bad or wrong - the existence of better information might. |
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◊ 2019-04-25 23:04 |
What are your sources ? I know no source quoting 3757GT as a 330 GTO or having 4,0 l engine. There are test drives of Nick Mason's car in magazines with detailled pictures of its 3,0 l engine... Triple side vents are not specific to 330 GTO, lot of 250 GTO had them, and despite what you says, 3757 GT don't have the 330 GTO bonnet bulge. Unless you can prove your assertion, 3757GT is a 250 GTO, and any mention to it being a 330 GTO has nothing to do here. |
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◊ 2019-04-26 00:43 |
Nearly 4 years later, I've no idea but were probably online as I don't have GTO references books. They existed then, maybe now corrected or whatever. As explained above, my comments were always provisional best-guesses to bring together confused/conflicting info, and therefore vulnerable to focussed expert knowledge. So no problem with removing the "330 GTO" references. I'm not over-concerned whether it's 3757GT or 3757LM, so changing to GT. But try googling 3757LM for yourself - there's a lot of hits out there, including Ferrari forums ..... |
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◊ 2019-04-26 10:45 |
Reg: 250GTO Make: Ferrari Model: Not Available Colour: Red Fuel Type: Petrol Engine Size: 3993cc BHP: Not Available AVG Yearly Mileage: 400 Vehicle Age: 55 years 1 month Registered Date: 19 March 1964 Year: 1964 As we know 250 GTO plate is currently on Nick Mason's 250 GTO,4L engine showed as plate check,so maybe still 330GTO upgrade like how 3757GT(Produced in June 1962) uesd to be listed |
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◊ 2019-04-28 02:37 |
Maybe. DVLA data can have typos/errors, so sometimes needs additional confirmation if there's a dispute. But if it is correct, 3757GT has been upgraded to 4L and does now have triple bonnet vents, so at some point has been reworked from its 1962 configuration. And that information is now out there for any passing experts to absorb/discuss or whatever. Plus we have linked this 1962 picture to its later appearances. So job done. |
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◊ 2019-11-02 00:46 |
Hi there. All GTOs have been modified during their racing career. You can’t indentify a car by details because after each racing incident bonnet could have been modified (that’s an example). Lot of 250 GTOs had 3 side vent because it was believed it improved engine cooling (Jaguar tested a 250 GTO in wind tunnel when developing its E Type lowdrag and noticed it enventualy wasn’t working. Hot air extracted from the 2nd vent was sucked back by the 3rd but Ferrari customers didn’t knew that). About a third of 250 GTOs was at one point modified from 2 to 3 air vents. As lot of cars have been later restaured to original specs and some of them lost their 3rd vents. Some kept it. I believe at least one 250 GTO left Ferrari factory with the 3 side vents. All to say these vents can’t be used to indentify a 330 from a 250 GTO. And I don’t consider DVLA at a proper source. Facts are : -to fit under a GTO bonnet the 4,0 l engine of the so called 330 GTO need a huge bonnet bulge. 3575 GT have the standard 250 Bulge. 4,0 engine can’t fit. -330 GTOs could only race in prototype category. 3575GT always raced in GT category so had a standard 3,0 engine fitted in period. A car collector would have been absolutely dumb to fit a non standard engine in such an historic car as a 250 GTO, hence it would at least drop the value of the car by 50% ( in private sale a GTO is good enough to 70 millions $ you would have to be absolutely nuts and I don’t believe Nick Mason is) - I have hi res picture of the engine fitted now in 3575GT, and I can assure you it is a standard 250GTO engine. - There can’t be 2 Ferraris with the same serial number numerical sequence - the letters only indicate the type of the car as it left the factory. If a car have been stamped 3575GT - which means it’s the 3575th car ever built at Maranello and that it happened to be a GT- no other car could have left the factory with the same numbers but different letters. 3575GT is proved to be an authentic Ferrari serial (check barchetta.cc, the absolute reference website for classic Ferrari’s or Mr Pourret’s book, THE reference about GTOs). As far as I’m concerned no car left the factory with 3575LM serial whatever people can write on forums (that’s not a valid source) Last but not least I never heard about a 250 GTO converted to 330 GTO specs. Lot of mistakes are written. Yes the 330 GTO used the same bodywork but there are by no mean conversions. Race cars are not defined by their bodywork but by their engine and their chassis - there is even a 250 GTO using a 330 LMB body since it left the factory (4713 GT) and yet it still a proper 250 GTO event if it’s not looking like a GTO at all. So a 330 « GTO » is not a conversion. It’s a different car meant to be a different car (remember it’s not a GT but a prototype) who happened to have a 250GTO body. Not being allowed to race in GT class and as far as I heard being not so good racers cause being too heavy on the front axle, I see no reason to convert a 3,0 GTO to a 4,0 engine. I don’t consider myself as an expert, I know some of them, and being the publisher of a Ferrari magazine I think I know what I’m talking about. Believe me you hear a LOT of mistakes when it come to these cars, some based on rumors half a century old. We could talk about the one saying that Ferrari’s should be yellow but I don’t want to add to the confusion :-) |
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