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1965 Porsche 911 [901] 
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![1965 Porsche 911 [901]](i746074.jpg)
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2014-10-06 16:52 |
Actually, this one too was 'brand new for the rally', as its [1722SB38] —very early 66 one— says it. (The first plate issued in Isère, département 38, for the year 1966, was [442SB38].) But 130rapid saw distinct features saying "65". |
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◊ 2014-10-06 17:03 |
It has new for 66 (only) horizontal rear Porsche badge without angled 911 script. (For 67 onwards this became spaced P O R S C H E lettering). |
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◊ 2014-10-06 17:18 |
Older 911 had this lettering also. The angled extra-script (absent here) was added mid-1965, to distinguish 911 and 912. |
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◊ 2014-10-06 18:18 |
I've got 2 books which disagree with each other. And with 130rapid. I think I'll go and lie down in my quiet room ... |
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◊ 2014-10-06 18:34 |
… How depressing for us all… I'm gonna look for some other Sunbeam-Talbot 90 Drophead Coupe (the second serie, you know, 1950+) and think no more. |
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◊ 2014-10-06 20:41 |
Nothing unusual. I write articles to 'ClassicAuto' magazine and the sources claim different dates many times. Wait! Let's split these different versions, maybe we'll find an answer.  The trouble is lettering's changes were made in mid MYs, I suppose. |
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◊ 2014-10-08 12:22 |
I have been done some (comparing-best-samples) investigation. Let's compare 1964-1965 cars because it seems I'm wrong also. Did Porsche add the slant '911' badge in January 1965? No. 300049, the oldest 911 in US. Manufactured October 1964. Just 'Porsche' lettering. No. 300133. Strange, with slant '911' badge (added later?). Manufactured November 1964. No. 300170. Lonely 'Porsche' lettering. Manufactured probably early December 1964, delivered December 18th, 1964. No. 300176. Lonely Porsche 'lettering'. Completed early December 1964 probably. No. 300182. Lonely 'Porsche' lettering. Completed December 1964 probably. ![[Image: 300182_1_th.jpeg]](http://cdn1.vierenzestig.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/300182_1_th.jpeg "http://cdn1.vierenzestig.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/300182_1_th.jpeg") No. 300221. Lonely 'Porsche' lettering. Completed December 22th, 1964. No. 300278. Manufactured January 14th 1965. Has slant 911 badge already. No. 300724. Made April 7th, 1965. With slant 911 badge. No. 301945. Completed August 27th 1965. No. 302474. Completed April 10th, 1965. Slant 911 badge. Interesting, higher number made earlier. And both cars (#301945 & 302474) have certificates! No. 303443. Slant badge. Manufactured August 1965 probably. Sold February 2nd 1967. No. 303982. 1966 MY. Completed September 1965 probably. No. 304086. Manufactured summer 1966. No. 305202. 1967 MY. Completed September 1966 probably. So... Early PO-R-S-C-H-E lettering was used to 1966 MY. Individual P O R S C H E letters came from 1967 MY. It seems the slant '911' emblem was used from January 1965 up to no. 305100 (August 1966), so started three months before 912 production run even. I think it's worth to change (from 1965 to 1964) the model year of our oldest series 911 samples with any '911' tail emblems. -- Last edit: 2014-10-08 12:23:03 |
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◊ 2014-10-08 13:46 |
That's detail analysis for you! It makes sense at a general level - for marketing, they did not need 911 badge until 912 was imminent. Maybe also for the start date of 911 badging - after the argument with Peugeot about 901 and the forced change to 911, they needed to demonstrate compliance by emphasising 911. I've got a book comment that 82 production 901s (from 300.007) were made from Sept 64 before name change. I have a definite book statement "Externally the 1966 model could be recognised by its straight (as opposed to angled) 911 script"; your examples seem to contradict this - particularly No. 304086 and No. 305202. My book photos - 3 books altogether, 2 of which describe year-on-year changes - are loosely captioned/selected so their pictures are not as reliable as I'd hope. As there are no 911 S slant badges, it seems that the changeover from slant was Aug 66 at latest. Also if there are no 911 slant badges on Targas (apart from pre-production), it would support Aug 66 as latest possible change date. But from your evidence Aug 65 now seems accurate changeover. Agree, provided you mean "...withOUT any '911' tail emblems." So back to this example. 1966 plate date, so should have slant 911 badge, but removed for some reason. Unless it had a straight badge which is obscured by rally plate. If so - and I'm not pushing this very strongly as an idea - did 66my US keep slant badges for some strange reason, but Europe had straight?? - the only theoretical explanation I can think of to match your examples with this. I also like the rear wiper here -seems to occur on some later 911 - 68-69+ for a few years, usually 911 S - but this is very early sighting. I'm going to go and lie down again now...... |
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◊ 2014-10-08 22:15 |
We are thinking about same, have very similar knowledge, just going different ways. . Did autor think about '1966 model' as '1967 model year'? I don't think so. This change (slant-to-horizontal '911') happened at holiday break 1966. The Porsche parts' supplier gives an answer about slant 911 emblem: http://www.sierramadrecollection.com/store/Emblems-Decals-c115/ Precisely: Link to "www.sierramadrecollection.com" 'This emblem was used up to chassis #305100', usually (not always!) recognized as last 1966 MY car. Few grams less. .gif ":)") Possible, of course. However the plate date isn't good proof also. Sample: the first competition 911 prototype #300055 was re-registed. Since January 1965 had German plates, for November 1966 French one. -- Last edit: 2014-10-08 22:17:22 |
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◊ 2014-10-08 22:47 |
Nice phrase. imcdb makes us do that sometimes .... What is odd in that parts catalogue is that 912 seems to have stayed slant for an extra year - Link to "www.sierramadrecollection.com" . I would expect both 911 and 912 to change together. |
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