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1938 Leyland K2 Class H1 by Metro-Cammell Weymann

1938 Leyland K2 in To Be a Woman, Short Movie, 1951 IMDB

Class: Bus, Trolley-bus — Model origin: UK

1938 Leyland K2 Class H1 by Metro-Cammell Weymann

Position 00:07:42 [*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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dsl SX

2014-07-18 18:34

Early 38 plate

andrepa DE

2014-07-19 03:09

H1 class trolleybus
Leyland (K2?) 3 axle chassis with
Metro Cammell Weymann bodywork
London Transport fleet number 880
http://796.trolleybus.net/about796.html
one of 150 built from November 1937 until July 1938
fleet number 755 - 904
http://www.focustransport.org.uk/ytr1.aspx

-- Last edit: 2014-07-19 03:34:20

andrepa DE

2014-07-19 03:36

could it be our first double decker trolley than ? :)

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dsl SX

2014-07-19 03:36

Not sure how to enter this - we don't have anything obvious/similar in title to copy from. I assume trolley buses are allowed, because there's a drop-down category for them. (But if they are allowed, how do we justify excluding trams??)

andrepa DE

2014-07-19 03:37

we had german and swiss articulated trolleys before, while trams don't fit cause they are railway bound!
maybe John can help us with Leyland type?


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dsl SX

2014-07-19 03:41

Yes - seems we have 18 pages of trolley-buses but no Leylands.

There is one AEC N2 which looks similar.

andrepa DE

2014-07-19 03:44

found this AECs are made 1936 looking very similar cause they have same bodywork, but production ended before 1938
C2-class number 260 was one of fifty-three built in 1936 by AEC and supplied with Metro-Cammell Weymann bodywork.
http://www.focustransport.org.uk/imytrolley1/tr108.jpg
only chance to determin is by year filmed an fleet number AEC 2XX
from 1938 onwards all are Leylands
http://www.mikesbuspages.com/londontransport.htm
maybe last pic in service 1962

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johnfromstaffs EN

2014-07-19 08:28

London needed many trolley buses in the 1930s to enable the replacement of worn out trams and their infrastructure. To facilitate this, LPTB undertook the design, and then bought from more than one source to speed deliveries. Leyland AEC and BUT (post WW2 I think) did chassis, with electrical equipment from EE, Metrovick and BUT. I think that Leyland K2/MCW is right for this case, but will need to do some book work for a more complete story.

By mid 1938, London had over 1,000 trolleybuses in service, all but one with six wheels, and from 1938 fitted 95hp Metrovick motors to all its AEC and Leyland deliveries.

"London Transport's intake of an average of about 275 six-wheel trolleybuses per year in the six years from the autumn of 1935 dwarfed the largest deliveries elsewhere in Britain": -

Alan Townsin "Six Appeal" Classic Bus magazine volume 86 December 2006/January 2007.

"When the London Passenger Transport Board was formed in July 1933 it absorbed the tram and trolleybus system of London United, among others, and decided soon afterwards to replace the trams with trolleybuses, due to their greater flexibility and lower renewal costs. Conversion of tramways to trolleybus operation started in 1935 and over the next few years a vast network emerged of over 1800 vehicles that for many years formed the largest system in the world. After the war, it was decided that the future lie entirely with oil-engined buses and in the short space of three years (1959-1962) this vast system was dismantled.": -

Link to "www.ebay.co.uk"

A large quantity of the latest design and youngest trolleybuses was then sold to Saragossa, in Spain.

-- Last edit: 2014-07-19 10:01:02

dsl SX

2014-07-19 12:10

ELB 880 record (from Link to "www.londonhalfcabs.com" ):

ID 880
class H1
Fleet 880
S
Rego ELB 880
Chassis Leyland
motor Metrovick 206A3
Cont Metrovick
Body Metro Cammell
Capacity H40/30R
Date Built Jun-1938
Date Wdrn Apr-1960
Disposal G.Cohen,Colindale Depot
Disposal Date May-1960

Full (?) list of LT trolley buses on this spreadsheet.

dsl SX

2014-07-19 14:52

andrepa wrote from 1938 onwards all are Leylands

Not necessarily - these AEC N2 are end 39/early 40 - Link to "www.londonhalfcabs.com" - and there may be others after 38 in this spreadsheet of LT trolley buses - see dropdown options in Chassis column.

johnfromstaffs EN

2014-07-19 19:38

The class H1 means the bus, not the chassis, so Leyland H1 is not strictly to the same format as has been used for London buses, where has been used:-

Chassis "AEC Regent 3"
Class "RT"
Subclass "3RT3"
Coachbuilder "Park Royal"

My original suggestion of Leyland K2/MCW should still stand, with the addition of Class H1 somewhere. Leyland did not make an H1 trolleybus, they made the chassis.

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