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◊ 2006-12-05 00:44 |
splendid car, I guess it's an Alvis, but what model? what body?...can't be a TC or TD which where produced after 1954 and deosn't match with it... (I thought about a Bentley too? ) |
◊ 2006-12-05 01:03 |
Nice pics I'd guess it's one of these, 1953 Alvis TA21 :- http://www.pioneer-automobiles.co.uk/Resources/library/Alvis%20TA21.html Probably a special bodied version (no idea who by.?) at the time Tickford and Graber were making specials for Alvis -- Last edit: 2006-12-05 01:08:24 |
◊ 2006-12-05 01:24 |
thank's for the help, it might be a TA21 chassis, but the body is different indeed |
◊ 2006-12-29 02:40 |
I would say a Pininfarina bodied Bentley (having some styling cues from the Facel-made Cresta fhc and a former PF family dhc car that went on sale in the US recently). Nevertheless, and following your clues, I think that it could also be one of the 33 or so Bentley MK VI chassis bodied by Graber. Looking closely at the pics, the Flying B and the B mascot can be seen, so it's definitely a Bentley. One of the pics shows what seems to be the coachbuilder badge below the trafficator but I´m not able to identify it. -- Last edit: 2007-01-05 02:32:51 |
◊ 2007-02-04 17:13 |
I think this Roberto Rossilini's personnal car he used in his movie ... driven by his wife |
◊ 2007-02-04 18:34 |
well, I do not see any resemlances with Bentley Mk. VI by Pininfarina: Link to "commons.wikimedia.org" or with Bentley Mk, VI by Graber: http://www.rrab.com/bentley/mkvi-3.jpg ... |
◊ 2007-02-05 01:43 |
No it could be a 1952-53 Bentley Cresta convertible. 13 Bentley Cresta were made. I find nowhere pictures of the last made in 1952. |
◊ 2007-02-05 02:38 |
We have to bear in mind that this body is probably a one-off. So, I was pointing out some of the styling clues it shows that justify the doubts. My guess that this must be a body by Pininfarina or by Graber is based on those styling clues. -- Last edit: 2007-02-05 04:25:31 |
◊ 2007-02-05 07:25 |
It's a Bentley. It's Farina style, but no Farina logo. The Cresta were made by Facel .... so Facel could make a convertible. |
◊ 2007-02-07 10:18 |
I will look into this but the wheeldiscs are Italian, and it has Italian door handles too. I am sure it is a one-off, and it is neither Graber nor Facel, but Italian (Pininfarina, Ghia or Vignale). I will find out and return to this space for that. |
◊ 2007-02-08 10:40 |
Not Vignale, as I have established |
◊ 2007-02-10 20:24 |
Bentley Mark VI Drop Head Coupé Pininfarina circa 1947/8 |
◊ 2008-01-13 18:07 |
This car has styling links to the 1950 Bentley Mk 6 shown by Farina at the Paris salon. The 1948 show car had a much wider radiator grille which did not suit the styling. The Facel-Metallon designed bodies looked more like a Facel Vega, and I think we can discount that coachbuilder as designer but Facel-Metallon did build some Farina designs as a sub-contractor. We can quite definitely say that this is a Bentley and the small grilles beneath the headlights are similar to the Farina ones. Suggest you look at "Bentley, Fifty Years of the Marque" by Johnnie Green Page 259. -- Last edit: 2008-01-15 22:07:04 |
◊ 2008-01-20 14:56 |
After some research I think this car can now be identified as chassis B299FU, supplied originally in february 1950 to Commendatore Adelmo Della Casa, which was later owned by Ingrid Bergmann (the car, not the Commendatore, perhaps to his grief). Likewise Rosselini later ordered another car with Italian coachwork, on a Rolls Royce Silver Dawn chassis, which was a four door saloon. The car shown here is listed a a Ghia body, which I find very difficult to believe bcause it all the hallmarks of a Pininfarina designed body. Unfortunately the chassis, now in Australia, seems to have a Park Ward Convertible body fitted, and the body shown is perhaps lost... -- Last edit: 2008-01-20 14:57:29 |
◊ 2012-03-17 23:48 |
A very fake plate - XHY series issued late 56, some time after the film date.... |
◊ 2012-06-10 23:07 |
Hallmarks making wrong friends with Pinin Farina ("Pininfarina" was first used in 1958 or so) designs are the conservative looks created by the Bentley grille and a bit old fashioned design dating back to time window of 1950-51. After seeing it on big screen I am sure it is not a Pinin Farina - it is a Ghia. Tail lights are of type Ghia used in 1950-51. Likely an inhouse design, havet never seen them on a car by another coachbuilder. It is very sad to learn that this car does not exist anymore! -- Last edit: 2014-08-24 19:56:39 |
◊ 2017-08-31 09:06 |
In that case, WHY was it ordered with right hand drive? The Commendatore and Ms Bergman were both resident in Italy... Certainly at first glance it looks very Graber like in it's proportions. I have a photo of Bergman looking into the same vehicle with her young son in the driving seat which may or may not confirm it's ownership |
◊ 2017-10-02 21:15 |
The availability of LHD chassis was limited, most going to the USA, and many European buyers didn't care - Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Talbot Lago, Dehahaye were mainly supplied in RHD. And no, this is not a Graber bodied car. |
◊ 2019-11-29 10:27 |
A comparison of Ferrari Ghia 1950 with the Bentley to further confirm it really is a Ghia. Edit: ps. Italian luxury cars of the time were mostly RHD. With million mules everywhere gentlemen preferred to step out on the clean sidewalk. In 1950 all cars built by Ferrari were RHD, Lancias could be ordered with rare optional LHD. -- Last edit: 2020-10-21 10:26:47 |