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Star Wars Fanatic ◊ 2006-11-23 16:56	A truly vile car, and thankfully Clarkson shares the same opinion as me. This is the first car to be destroyed in this release, and the car is disposed of by using two models in an unusual game of conkers - this same stunt was also replicated in Top Gear in a game of caravan conkers. One of the FSOs is also dropped from a height at the end of the stunt
G-MANN ◊ 2006-11-23 17:15	The vehicle details for F811 SPH are: Date of Liability 01 07 1997 Date of First Registration 27 06 1989 Year of Manufacture 1989 Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1481CC CO2 Emissions Not Available Fuel Type Petrol Export Marker Not Applicable Vehicle Status Unlicensed Vehicle Colour WHITE
Weasel1984 ◊ 2006-11-23 17:20	Well, he (Clarkson) said that it is NOT the worse handling car in the world and is even better than... Corvette - it means that FSO is pretty COOL car! BTW. 1989?! And still with old front and rear end! Very strange model. -- Last edit: 2006-11-24 17:41:33
fck ◊ 2006-11-23 17:40	I can't watch what he did with these Polonez's There aren't plenty of that export version Polonez's! And he destroyed them! When I was in London I saw one when I ate lunch in restaurant. Polonez belong to few pleasant Arabs, but it was in horrible condition
poncho sd ◊ 2006-11-23 18:08	gorgeous car
G-MANN ◊ 2006-11-23 20:08	Oh come on, it's pretty damn ugly.
Star Wars Fanatic ◊ 2006-11-23 20:27	I would not even describe the looks of this car as "acceptable", let alone gorgeous -- Last edit: 2006-11-23 20:27:16
G-MANN ◊ 2006-11-23 20:32	fck wrote When I was in London I saw one when I ate lunch in restaurant. Polonez belong to few pleasant Arabs, but it was in horrible condition Did you mean to say "peasant Arabs"?
fck ◊ 2006-11-23 20:53	no. Pleasant Arabs. Personally I hate stereotypes.
antp ◊ 2006-11-23 21:17	Star Wars Fanatic wrote I would not even describe the looks of this car as "acceptable", let alone gorgeous I do not find it especially ugly. I would not say that it looks good, but there are so many cars that I find less interesting than the FSO Polonez...
lastinpurple ◊ 2006-12-28 17:50	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqTWTmNnuAA
Kowalski ◊ 2008-03-20 03:58	antp wrote I do not find it especially ugly. I would not say that it looks good, but there are so many cars that I find less interesting than the FSO Polonez... We all know about your poor taste in cars. Or the sheer lack of it.
antp ◊ 2008-03-20 10:56
ecclefechan ◊ 2008-06-03 10:50	This one was actually in pristine condition before Jeremy Clarkson got his hands on it. Not much of a loss though, as it's a pretty awful car. Not the worst from the Eastern Bloc car however. That award goes to the Trabant.
hashad ◊ 2008-11-11 16:01	hi all i think mr.G-MANN like his citizen clarckson stereotypes (let me use FCK exp) for the all English cars , but they forgot that non of english cars are used outside england (may be littel few cars like jaguar , land rover) , but even those producers are going to have investment from tata motor India , see every episode of top gear you will find mr clarkson bring the english cars in top of famous brands like BMW wich is not true at all , i'd like to tell that i own a fso polonez for nearly 3 years now and my father have one from about 13 years both are 1989 model and they are aple to work for another 20 years , can any new car hold this time ????? i doubt ! my brother draged with 1.5 l polonez with 1978 BMW 315 and he cracked the BMW , even BMW 1.5l engine produces 78hp and polonez 1.5l 82hp ,my friends with 2.0l polonez smocks any new car brand and it's true !!!! this car how it looks or how it perform it was a creative design that many car manufacturers produced cars with the same look (chevorlet,nissan,VW, etc...), in Egypt we produced this car from 1987 till 1992 mass production. and by the way i think that old peasant arabs produced basic scinces that the english people learned and developed after and the all wroled are live on it now (but we should study some history first )
Ingo ◊ 2008-11-11 18:13	@hashad: welcome! I think, actually you are the only active Egyptian here (@Antoine: am I right?) To the stereotypes about cars and their owners: In the usual German opinion in the 70ies ad 80ies Britsh made cars weren't much better than Polish, Russian or other COMECON-made ones, except Rolls Royce and the robust Range Rover. Just in the last years, it was getting better. Jaguar got a better reputation, Rover a little bit, too (only for the cars, where the BMW-influence was a bit bigger). Egypt, mainly Cairo is a very interesting location for old -and still running- cars. At first everyone should make the experience to take a ride in a real "classic" Cairoan Peugeot 504-taxi. Unforgettable. In 2000, when I've been there, I saw a plenty of interesting old cars - and except a few Bedford-trucks I cannot remember British ones. In Hurghada was an abandoned 1951 Opel Olympia just standing around next to the shopping area. Annother car had irritated me because of its selfmade front and back. I needed a bit time to recognize that it was a Ford 17 M P3. In Cairo a Borgward Isabella had passed our bus, followed by a VW 411. But -ahem, you guys know why- I was a bit disappointed not to see a K 70. I've heard, that a few shall still exist over there. @hashad: a special question to an Egyptian car-freak: is anything know about a Ramses? Is any car still existing? -- Last edit: 2008-11-11 18:15:11
hashad ◊ 2008-11-12 09:18	Hello ingo you are too right man cairo is an intersted place for old cars , but these days all are started to buy new cars (suddenly because of easy bank loans) and they started to use the old cars in a bad ways , any way that 1951 Opel Olympia you saw i read an egyptian magazine for cars and they putting old commercials for cars in the early 1950 and i have this commercial photo (if i found it i'll send to you) describing ho good is this car ( i remmember it's engine produce about 20 hp);)and i got one old man in the place i stay after he retaired he changed th old VW variant station 1500 60's model (i loved this car) with 1991 golf2 1300 and i wanna tell you that he treating this golf like his baby there is a car looks like the K70 (i didn't saw K70 yet) the old passat 1.8 and 2.0 l my brother wanna buy a one but you know what, i like old cars i feel there is art in it art in every thing the design th engine the interiores I LIKE OLD CARS the one i realy want to own it is chevorlet 1967 camaro SS sporty and arty ps. from about 3 monthes i saw a brand new Ramses 1966 in a very good condition it was owned by x minister price was about 4,500 USD pps from where you know that there is car called Ramses ????
BeanBandit ◊ 2008-11-12 13:15	I've never seen a Polonez with these headlights before.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2008-11-12 17:42	They weren't very common indeed - here were available since about 1981 to 1986/87 in really poor C-trim level and also in the well equipped "LE" Short lived first generation's pickups - (Polonez Truck) had these headlights as well. Hashad - wasn't Polonez built before 1987 in Egypt, but from the CKD kits (same like 125p)? Btw. You have indeed in Egypt a huge diversity of cars, would be cool to have some pics from the Egyptian movies.
hashad ◊ 2008-11-12 18:46	CKD parts commnly used from 1987 till 1989 after that according to some national laws we were have to made 40% of any car assemled in egypt local parts like winshields chairs carpets some metal parts or plastics but engine was totaly imported , for the 125p at end of its production main block of engine was manufacured in egypt " NASR company " check it out on wikipedia , i'll try hard to get you some pictures from movies polonez appeared widly but the problem i'll start to search for pc movies to get such shots
Ingo ◊ 2008-11-12 19:27	@hashad: Years ago I found on grandmothers attic old youth magazine from the 60ies, in one was an article about a Ramses - and for many years it was the only thing I've ever read about this Egyptian car. Even the most NSU-fans didn't know, that it has existed. This is the second reason: as a long-time-K 70-freak you are getting obligatorily some NSU-knowledge. A few more informations about the Ramses I've found in that book: http://www.gege-nsu.de/nsuprinz/ge-nsu/treffen/inhalt.htm I know the writer and editor (I've helped him with the K 70-chapter). The factory was planned in Giza in 1961. The manufacturer was the "Egyptian Automotive Co. Sharia Kasr El Nil-Kairo. They started with the Ramses-production (an open Jeep, a Pick Up and a Sedan in two versions, old and facelifted). It was not a mass-production: 1963/64: 300 units 1965: 405 units 1966: 95 units 1967: 244 units 1968: 195 units 1969: 1027 units In 1971 they'd planned for 1972 5000 cars, but it's unknown, if they reached it. In 1973 the NSU-based production was stopped. To coming back to topic: it's also written, that later on in this factory were assembled, between other brands, also Fiat's, Seat's and Polonez(!). Also Opel Corsa and Ascona. A propos Fiat: it isn't the same factory, where the several Fiat-models were assembled? We had this discussion about Egyptian Fiats somewhere else, too, but I cannot find the thread again. -- Last edit: 2008-11-12 19:28:44
DynaMike ◊ 2008-11-12 19:36	@Ingo: you mean /vehicles.php?make=El+Nasr&model= ?
Ingo ◊ 2008-11-12 20:00	Ah, yes, thanks. I mean the discussion, we had at the El Nasr 133 and -a bit- at the Dogan.
sixcyl ◊ 2008-11-12 20:17	About Ramses cars: http://www.geocities.com/mdbois/ramses.html Welcome to hashad on this site I've been in Egypt , 25 years ago ... I spent a month there and visited many places (From El-Alamein to Charm-El-Cheir, from Ismaelia to Assouan + Luxor and Cairo of course ... I saw many intersesting vehicles there and used many time bus or taxis (the 504 Familiale !... THE "taxi collectif") I remember some local made or turkish made Mercedes Benz O302 in my journey to Sinaï , I remember the ultra-modern airconditionned Neoplan Pullman used on the line Cairo <=> Alexandrie, I remember the Renault S53 with specific export body used in Alexandrie, blue/white,always packed full of people, I remember the buses in Cairo (El-Nasr ?) assaulted by people and some mens even climbing on through the windows .... but my special "cars souvenirs" was in Damiette , and its so so special taxis : There was some genuis of mechanics in this town who had transformed many old american cars for use as taxi, but the originality was about the engines: all the old gazoline V8 having been replaced by DIESEL Marine engines normally used to power boats (see the bonnet openned on the left thumbnail) ... you can imagine the incredible sound in Damiette streets when these vehicles were passing by ... it was Had you heard of these taxis Hashad? ... what happen to them till now? ...
hashad ◊ 2008-11-13 13:55	hi sixcyl 25 years ago i was 3 years old , but i can tell you , all this great cars were used in the agriculture countries around cairo and in upper egypt because of two things 1st those cars can hold any road or working inviroment ( roads were very bad early in such contries) 2nd the ecnomical status of cairo was always higher than other contries so change over rate of cars was high , i saw some few cars like it but was scraped in the streets and i used me and my crew to stand beyond it and admire that beautiful machines , and i waish in one day i'll have the mony and the place to rebuild this cars
ecclefechan ◊ 2008-11-17 12:25	I read recently that there are fewer than 20 original right hand drive FSO Polonez left in the UK.
Trabantino ◊ 2009-04-17 02:03	It was designed by FIAT for the Polish market and presented in 1978 with this body type. The rectangle headlights indicate a low cost version (the de luxe had 4 round headlights)...and remember the Fiat Ritmo. Now you know where the style comes from! This one is for sure an early 1980s.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-04-17 14:21	These headlights were indeed used mainly in the cheapest versions, but not only - sometimes you could meet them also in the better equiped ones (well actually the short lived 1970's 125p Lux had rectangular headlights as well). The car here, by the windows in the last pillars can't be older than 1986 (even if it is rather strange that doesn't have the 1983 front spoiler). On the other hand I was always suprised that it is from the 1989, as such front end was not used in any hatchback since 1987 (maybe only in the domestic market). To be exact it wasn't designed by Fiat, but of course used its technic.
130rapid ◊ 2009-12-10 01:07	Weasel1984 wrote The car here, by the windows in the last pillars can't be older than 1986 (even if it is rather strange that doesn't have the 1983 front spoiler). On the other hand I was always suprised that it is from the 1989, as such front end was not used in any hatchback since 1987 (maybe only in the domestic market). I agree. It had side mirrors screw to door panels, typical way for pre-1983 FSO Polonez. * * * I'm keeping friend's 1982 Polonez 1500 Standard in my garage. Exactly this one: http://www.youngtimer.pl/galeria/225.html With all papers, keys and good words "Keep'em running time to time!" I do. In many points Clarkson was right. Definitely Polonez is "he", not "she". Needs man hand, like large dog on a walk. Hard to move steering wheel and gear stick. Even Skoda Estelle feel much delicate & precise thing. On curves Polonez understeers hardly (with neutral or closed throttle) or oversteers [when pushing hard] - true! Polonez is the best reviewer of driver skills. If you keep them of perfect line, apply throttle carefully, move steering wheel gently, you could "defeat" all curves neutral and quite fast. Clonking gearbox? No! Gear stick has strange working geometry. Engine doesn't feel like 75 KM? - true. But has lot of low/medium-rpm torque and nicely sounds with metal hoarse. Polonez has cream-plush sunvisors & roof "carpet", fire-brown fabric-cowered soft seats, tachometer, electric clock, many chrom stripes, even oil pressure gauge! In standard form with Ford Fiesta Mk I 1.1 price! And all this things work well still. So, Polonez is really fun to drive. Looks like last 70s, drives like early 60s. Modern face with dated hardware. :P -- Last edit: 2009-12-10 01:16:07
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-12-10 17:06	Pięknie wygląda ten brązowy Poldek kolegi. I ta tapicerka... Ujęcia i klimat jak ze starego folderu. -- Last edit: 2009-12-10 17:07:04
Ingo ◊ 2009-12-10 18:37	@130rapid: thanks for the youngtimer.pl link. Annother chance for me to start further searching...
130rapid ◊ 2009-12-11 19:11	Weasel1984 wrote Pięknie wygląda ten brązowy Poldek kolegi. I ta tapicerka... Ujęcia i klimat jak ze starego folderu. Dzięki. Taki miał być lajt-motyw. :P Kolor "Zemsta Agrestu" zachowuje się jak drogi "kameleon", w zależności od światła - od ciemnożółtego po jasnobrązowy.
130rapid ◊ 2009-12-11 19:17	Weasel1984 wrote Short lived first generation's pickups - (Polonez Truck) had these headlights as well. Oh, like this one. -- Last edit: 2009-12-11 19:19:38
mitsubishi4 ◊ 2011-10-04 16:53	you see, what Clarkson does is get cars he doesn't like in not a very good condition, to make it look visually worse. -- Last edit: 2011-10-04 16:54:05
Usagi Tsukino ◊ 2024-03-31 16:09	Even back in 1997, only 616 examples of the "Leisure" version were still registered. Nowadays there are no examples left on the road, with 1 declared SORN, however, i don't know if it's RHD or LHD. For some reason, Polonez Leisure exists in DVLA database as "Polonez SCE". I think antp will agree with me, going out of your way to find 2 examples of something extremely rare and soon to be extinct, only to blow them up is utterly, utterly pathetic. -- Last edit: 2024-03-31 22:58:18

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1989 FSO Polonez 1.5 Leisure [B51]

1989 FSO Polonez [B51] in Apocalypse Clarkson, Documentary, 1997

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