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Stutz Bearcat

Stutz Bearcat in A Free Ride, Short Movie, 1915 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: US

Stutz Bearcat

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

Comments about this vehicle

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Gamer DE

2019-01-09 22:17

I don't know where the 50-60 comes from but that's the horsepower, not an official designation, nor is 'Touring Car'. Should be a 1912 Haynes Model Y.
(and the Model Y actually had 60 hp)

-- Last edit: 2019-01-09 22:24:58

johnfromstaffs EN

2019-01-09 22:55

Are you familiar with the system of calculated horsepower as used in the early days? In Imperial units the number was calculated by taking the square of the bore in inches, multiplying by the number of cylinders and dividing the result by 2.5 . The result was supposed to represent the horsepower developed at 1,000rpm by a low compression old fashioned design engine and was used for taxation purposes. This is how names like 50/60 came into use, the calculated power being, say, 50hp but the actual developed power being 60. As time moved on the difference became greater, i.e. Wolseley 18/85, and then fell into disuse and has become a forgotten facet of historical times.

(For metric units the divisor is 1613 iirc.)

tore-40 NO

2019-01-09 23:35

Jalopnik is usually a reliable source, so let's at least agree the ID is correct. Then the Model 'Y' (sometimes just Model Y) represented the longer chassis, while 50-60 Touring Car (not the other way round as currently listed, it seems) would be the type or model. Going by this pretty informative ad we should have 50-60 Touring Car entered as Model (or rather 50-60 as model while Touring car could be extra info), while Model Y should be entered as Chassis in the listings

-- Last edit: 2019-01-09 23:47:14

Gamer DE

2019-01-09 23:51

johnfromstaffs wrote Are you familiar with the system of calculated horsepower as used in the early days?

Indeed I am, but my book lists only Model Y as a model name.

tore-40 NO

2019-01-10 01:38

Many details are different from the ads, I have some doubt about the ID made by Jalopnik and @ProwlerX:

Seat back is way too low, square door corners, rear door hinged in front, twin spoke steering wheel, rounded cowl area (under the windscreen, from side to side), curved fender/running board joint, sharp in the brochures, wrong radiator badge, different wheels, wrong lamps (well the oil lamps could have been removed)

Gamer DE

2019-01-10 16:39

I was conspicuous that it is not a Haynes. But so many people say it is, even Wikipedia.

tore-40 NO

2019-01-10 18:57

'Even Wikipedia' - well they are basically a forum, like imcdb. Edited by members, corrected by admins. But you have to go beyond Wikipedia to look for facts sometimes, however, they can point you in the right direction. Take Jalopnik (mentioned in comment above) may have found his info on imcdb, or Wikipedia. Or the Wikipedia article could be based on Jalopnik... Even Imdb is based on contributions, their articles are added by admins after a check, though.

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” was used by leaders 60-70 years ago, but it still works today.

Raul1983 FI

2019-01-18 10:40

ID is quite wrong. I don't know who originally made the ID but the car is way newer than 1912. Like 1920 or so. I think it could be a Stutz. I found this info from IMDB page:

"Often dated at 1915, silent film historian Kevin Brownlow, in his book "Behind the Mask of Innocence", suggests that it was instead made around 1923, judging by the girl's fashions."

I agree that the filming year is not 1915.

tore-40 NO

2019-01-21 22:23

Nice digging, Raul1983. Indeed a Stutz. 1921-22 got the door handles, and a similar window frame, but 1923 got the same window frame bracket.

The Bearcat was usually a sports car, a coupe (as originally, a shorter version) but there were several others, like the 1923 Speedway Four 6 Passenger Touring and I think you have a match here. Even the bumper is a Stutz original!

GrahamC AU

2020-12-08 05:27

I think the car is a 1921 Stutz, but not a Bearcat - I think it is a Model K Bulldog.

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