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1917 Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon Mark IV female

1917 Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon Mark IV in World War I in Colour, Documentary, 2003 IMDB

Class: Others, Military armored vehicle — Model origin: UK

1917 Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon Mark IV female

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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stronghold EN

2006-07-14 17:13

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I believe ..all of the same type tank.?

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hiergehts CH

2006-07-14 19:37

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This looks like a British "Mark V" tank : http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/france/Fra-MarkVStar-2.jpg

Alexander DE

2006-07-15 00:33

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I would say it is an early version of the Mark V (no stars) which was designed and manufactured by the Metropolitan Carriage and Waggon Company. The side sponsons are of the flat type used for machine guns and therefore this is a female tank.

Alexander DE

2006-07-15 00:36

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Antoine, the name field is too short! :( Could you help, please?

The full name should be:
Metropolitan Carriage and Waggon Mark V female

stronghold EN

2006-07-15 00:44

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Alexander wrote Antoine, the name field is too short! :( Could you help, please?

The full name should be:
Metropolitan Carriage and Waggon Mark V female

was it known as M.C.W.C... or M.C.W company ? (maybe easier than Antoine trying to fit it all in.?)

Alexander DE

2006-07-15 01:12

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stronghold wrote
was it known as M.C.W.C... or M.C.W company ? (maybe easier than Antoine trying to fit it all in.?)

Not that I know.
Such companies, coming from railroad business, usually had long names. We have a few of that kind already.

antp BE

2006-07-15 10:57

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You can't make it shorter? :D e.g. Metropolitan C&W ...

Alexander DE

2006-07-15 11:13

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antp wrote You can't make it shorter? :D e.g. Metropolitan C&W ...

Well, I could, but would it be correct?
Is it a problem to lengthen the field?

antp BE

2006-07-15 11:24

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It is already long for make names I think (25 characters).
And for some previous long names (e.g. East-Germany and Russian plants) we already shortened names by using an acronym

Alexander DE

2006-07-16 14:02

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antp wrote It is already long for make names I think (25 characters).
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Is it a real problem to make the field longer, i.e. does it need more space on the server? (It shouldn't, but some programmes do.)

A shortend name could be confused with 'MCW' = 'Metro Cammell Weymann', which was formed in 1932 by Weymann Motor Bodies and Metro-Cammell's bus body-building division. 'Metro-Cammell' in long is the 'Metropolitan Cammell Carriage and Wagon' (MCCW) which was formed in 1929 after Vickers Ltd. and Cammell Laird and Co. merged their railway-building divisions. Vickers part was the Metropolitan Vickers Electrical Company, founded in 1919, after Vickers took over the British Westinghouse factories from US control. This was done with help from the Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon and Finance Company, which used this name since 1912.

Here is a 'family tree' of MCW:
http://metcam.co.uk.nstempintl.com/famtree.htm

All these are not connected to the Metropolitan Carriage and Waggon Company, which was a company belonging to Sir William Tritton, the famous co-designer of the first British tanks. He was at the time manging director of William Foster & Co Ltd., an agricultural machinery company.

Quite confusing, I agree, especially as quite a few 'Metropolitan Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd.' and 'Metropolitan Amalgamated
Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd.', earlier names of the 'Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon and Finance Company', are wrongly being referred to as 'Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon'.


antp wrote ...
And for some previous long names (e.g. East-Germany and Russian plants) we already shortened names by using an acronym

They were not shortend by us but by the companies themselves.


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antp BE

2006-07-16 14:41

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It is not a problem of size, no. Just that it makes rather long names.
Well, I have set the length of make to 40, like the length of model.

Alexander DE

2007-10-31 13:23

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New information I have learned shows that this is the earlier Mark IV version from 1917. The shape of the front observation slits are different to the Mark V, which you can see here: /vehicle_135715-Metropolitan-Carriage-and-Waggon-Mark-V-1918.html

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