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1969 Authi Morris 1300 MkII [ADO16]

1969 Authi Morris 1300 MkII [ADO16] in La segunda oportunidad, Non-fiction TV, 1978-1979 IMDB Ep. 1.?

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK — Built in: ES — Made for: E

1969 Authi Morris 1300 MkII [ADO16]

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keef EN

2006-06-30 12:06

[ado16] Mk2 or Mk3

All others are down as sedan (saloon)

There was a hatchback but only in Australia (Austin Nomad)

http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?akaado16f.htm

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lastinpurple ES

2006-12-06 10:46

[Image: authicm5.th.png] The team of La Segunda Oportunidad had a group of Minis and Morris for when they had to make good driving

CarChasesFanatic ES

2007-02-02 16:54

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Another one from 1.19

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 15:35

Well, this is an Authi Morris 1300. Here in Spain Authi only built cars with MKI Body when used the 1098cc engine. All MKII Body were 1275 cc except for the later Authi Austin De luxe, that had the 998cc engine, the only 998 ADO 16 in the world.

antp BE

2007-11-19 15:38

Authi built the cars but these were sold as Austin/Morris/...

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 15:40

Well, in fact were sold by Authi Dealerships. I'm sure of that because i had a 1969 Authi Morris 1300 years ago.

antp BE

2007-11-19 16:00

It was previously said on various pages that these were just sold as Austin/MG/Morris, I do not know who I have to believe but on http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?ado16spain1f.htm the cars seem to be badged Austin/MG, and the commercial documents also just mention the original make.

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Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 16:17

In fact, except the Austins launched during the BLMC era, all ADO 16 had the Authi Badge on rear.

Here's a pic of my ex- Authi Morris 1300

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antp BE

2007-11-19 16:27

So it depends on the years...

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 16:32

Well, Authi cars were all sold on Authi dealerships from the start in 1966 till the end om 1975. All Morris and MG cars had the Authi badge on rear, (1966-72) and Austin cars (1971-75)never had any Authi badge, but were authis too.

lastinpurple ES

2007-11-19 17:02

Thanks blackwalls for show everyone the truth about Authi :king: ! I couldn't continue this fight.

antp BE

2007-11-19 17:05

But why does the commercial documents from Authi call them "MG 1300" and not "Authi MG 1300" then?

lastinpurple ES

2007-11-19 17:07

What commercial are you talking about?

antp BE

2007-11-19 17:08

The link that I posted above

antp BE

2007-11-19 17:10

Note that I do not care that we label them Auti or Austin/MG, I just do not want to have to change all of them every six months when somebody else arrives on the site (as this was a subject discussed few times previously), that's why I was asking details :p

By the way, is the make just Authi with MG/Morris/Austin in model name, or are there "Authi MG", "Authi Morris" and "Authi Austin"?

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lastinpurple ES

2007-11-19 17:21

Well, those aren't commercials, are catalogues, and I think that is because they don't want to repeat the brand inside, I kept the Audi catalogue that my father took when he bought his new A4, and inside of it (I'm reading it right now) they refere the Audi models as A4, A3, A6 and not as Audi A4, Audi A3 or Audi A6, I guess that they don't want to repeat the Audi brand, and perhaps Authi didn't want to repeat the brand all the time.

And no, the brand's just Authi, not Authi MG, Authi Morris or Authi Austin.

antp BE

2007-11-19 17:29

I did not say "commercials", I said "commercial documents" (which includes catalogues).
I renamed the "by Authi" BMG cars, until the next time someone wants to rename then again, it would only make it the 3rd or 4th time.

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rpcm PT

2007-11-19 19:09

The available information ( including period texts and pics ) show, in fact, that the MkII on the main pic it's a 1300. It was available from October 1968 ( 1969 model ) till February 1971 as Morris 1300 and from then on as Austin 1300.
I agree that " by Authi " as additional information makes more sense than calling it Authi Morris, since the Authi badge was just a way of identifying who assembled them.

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 21:20

As Lastinpurple said, the brand was Authi, and the sub brands were Morris, MG, Austin and Mini.

So all the Spanish BMC/BLMC should be gathered under the Authi brand :-)

Glad to see you like my ex-car! Now is restored and running around Malaga i think...

rpcm PT

2007-11-19 22:41

The question is not so simple as you put it. In fact, as it happened in many countries at that time ( Portugal included ), there was a strong taxation on imported cars ( and sometimes imports were even forbidden ). The chosen way to sell cars at more reasonable prices was to establish an agreement with a maker or a group in order to assemble cars in the country incorporating a determined degree of locally produced components. That was what Authi ( Automoviles de Turismo Hispanoingleses ) did with BMC and that's why BMC models were assembled in Spain and never lost their original brands. As I said, Authi assembled them and took the decision of making it clear with that rear script.

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Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 22:59

Your point isn't correct this time. Despite you're right about licensed products to avoid imports etc, when we talk about Authi, we are talking not only about a manufacturer, we are talking about a brand too. You can think, that for example, Spanish renault were made by FASA and also had an small badge reading "FASA-España", but the Authi case is different. The cars were made by Authi, and sold under Authi name. At the time you couldn't find a Morris dealer, or an Austin or Mini dealer in Spain. If you wanted to buy any of those cars, you should go to an Authi dealership, because the main brand was Authi, and the sub-brands were Morris and MG at first and Austin and Mini later.

rpcm PT

2007-11-19 23:16

Morris, MG or Austin can never be considered sub-brands anywhere. The fact that Authi decided to group the dealerships under its name, doesn't mean it's a brand on its own right. In UK - and other countries - BMC ( and later British Leyland ) also had dealerships selling several brands of the group under the same roof and the BMC rosette was clearly shown on the buildings. That does't mean the original brands lost their protagonism. In Spain, the cars were assembled under licence keeping their brands'badging and, although they had certain Spanish components ( as it happened in other countries ), that doesn't allow you to call MG, Austin or Morris "sub-brands".

antp BE

2007-11-19 23:22

I let you discuss and decide, just tell me when I have to rename the cars again :D

rpcm PT

2007-11-19 23:28

By all the above reasons and as it was decided after long discussions that I've already read, I think keeping "by Authi" as additional info ( like they were previously listed ) seems to be the most reasonable way.

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Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 23:32

Morris and MG (and Austin and Mini) were "Sub Brands" of Authi. That's a fact.

Authi was the main brand, as Innocenti was also a brand on it's own in Italy. The fact is that Innocenti didn't made a chaos with the names, and just called their cars "Innocenti IM4", or "Innocenti Mini Cooper". But here was different, probably for the well known spanish abilty of making the things complicated and too much times, wrong.

Here Authi kept the brands (well, in fact just two of them in each era, BMC and BLMC) and used them just as models, and the models, as versions. Even sometimes the "model" (1100, 1300 etc) was merely orientative as there was only an engine available. So, the Authi range was for ADO 16's: Morris for the "common" cars and MG for the luxury cars (When BMC used MG as sporty cars) and later Austin did the Morris role and the Austin Victoria the MG role.

Authi history is not the easiest to understand, but i know what's behind of the Authi brand, as apart from having had a few of them, i also know some of the Authi foundators sons that explained me very well what's behind the brand and even shown me the first Authi Morris ever made, the M00001 chassis.

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-19 23:34

And another fact to keep Authi as a brand: Some of the cars didn't have equal on UK. Austin Victoria is an Authi product, only made in Spain, Austin Deluxe, and Morris Mini 1275C are also exclusive versions made only by Authi.

rpcm PT

2007-11-20 00:02

The fact of having certain specific models, doesn't mean that the brand must be changed. Nevertheless, and since you mentioned it, the Austin Victoria was firstly introduced in South Africa ( by Leyland South Africa ) in 1971 as Austin Apache. This Michelotti "updating" of the [ADO16] was only introduced in Spain in 1973 with its name changed from Apache to Victoria, as well as some other details. The Austin de Luxe is basically a MkIII [ADO16] with a 998cc engine and it was also sold in Denmark and Greece. The case of the Mini is, perhaps, the one with more Spanish particularities, but in terms of engines, Authi just adapted the available BMC engines to BMC bodies.
Again, this doesn't make Authi a brand. MG, Austin and Morris were locally assembled, in certain cases had more particular versions, but the brands still the same.

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-20 00:12

Sorry, but say that Authi is not a brand is like saying that Citroen is not a brand. If the son, (in this case daughter) of the Authi founder told me that Authi was the brand (even showing me some memorabilia)... should i not believe her?

Another fact, in all the official papers of my ex car, the brand was Authi and the model Morris 1300. Of course in all other Authi products it's the same

BMC cars were not only locally assembled. They were a brand (Authi) that made BMC cars under license (not only assembled, they made the whole car with 100% spanish parts, from iron to interiors or paintwork) and also, made some own models like the Victoria.

Just as Seat did.

CarChasesFanatic ES

2007-11-20 00:18

You have met Authi's creator's daughter :D ?

sixcyl FR

2007-11-20 00:21

blackwalls wrote Sorry, but say that Authi is not a brand is like saying that Citroen is not a brand..


Sorry, but I've never heard of Citroën as making car under license, may be the comparison doesn't match ? ;)
By the way , I don't mean that you're wrong in arguments versus rpcm's ones (I've no idea about this question)

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-20 00:22

Yes! In fact she's the owner of the First Authi Morris 1100 ever made in Spain, almost a pre-series car with lots of differences with production cars.

That Authi attended at some classic car meeting at Madrid where i met her.

(By the way, she's a nice woman, but duplies my age LOL)

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-20 00:23

sixcyl wrote

Sorry, but I've never heard of Citroën as making car under license, may be the comparison doesn't match ? ;)


I know, i know :-) Perhaps i should have chosen another brand. Seat was much more suitable in this case!

rpcm PT

2007-11-20 03:17

BMC cars were not only locally assembled. They were a brand (Authi) that made BMC cars under license (not only assembled, they made the whole car with 100% spanish parts, from iron to interiors or paintwork) and also, made some own models like the Victoria.

Just as Seat did.[/quote]

The incorporation of local components was needed those days to ensure the cars were "national" and not imported. That was also an attempt to develop the industry of certain countries, hugely taxating all that came from abroad.
The Spanish BMC cars were indeed made with Spanish steel, but that steel went to the UK to be pressed there, returning to Spain ready for the assembly line; mechanical components also came from the UK ( again, in certain cases, made from materials coming from Spain ); about the interiors and the paintwork, it was normal that they were Spanish: that also happened with the models that were assembled in Portugal in the 60s and the 70s ( from Fiat to BMW or Alfa Romeo and many more ).
The fact is that Seat cars, as far as I know, only had a "Licencia Fiat" in very small characters written on the front badge, but were otherwise totally identified as Seat. On the contrary, the BMC cars kept all their original badging with, in certain cases, the additional rear Authi script. As far as I know, the Authi badge was only used in the steering wheel centre of certain models including the first Morris 1100 units. For instance, the car on the 2nd thumbnail is clearly an Austin 1300 with the Austin round badge and rectangular script on the front grille, the Austin badge was also in the centre of the steering wheel and there was another Austin rear badge; it only had an Authi script on the left of the bootlid. You have to agree it's not easy to consider this car an Authi model Austin 1300.




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Blackwalls ES

2007-11-20 11:16

Sorry but that's not true. Authi cars were entirely spanish, except for the first Morris 1100, like the one that Maria Jesus (daughter of Authi founder) has, that came in a semi CKD and were assembled in Landaben. Only until aprox. april 1967 Authi cars had british components, in only a 30% of the car.

But from 67 spring till the end in late 1975 the whole cars were spanish. The steel was founded in Vizcaya and pressed in Barcelona by Metalauto, the whole mechanicals came from the "Nueva Montaña Quijano" factory in Los Corrales de Buelna in Cantabria, the carbs were made by Tecniauto under license, opticals were made by Yorka... Everything was made and assemblied in Spain, so Authi factory was that, a factory, not an assembly line

Authi used the brands MG, Morris, Austin and Mini as models of the brand, but officially as i said, cars were Authi (i repeat, in the road tax, and other official papers of my ex Authi Morris, the brand officially was Authi)

CarChasesFanatic ES

2007-11-20 11:59

blackwalls wrote the whole mechanicals came from the "Nueva Montaña Quijano" factory in Los Corrales de Buelna in Cantabria


I didnt know that :D thats a town 10 minutes far from my city if not less :D

antp BE

2007-11-20 12:16

blackwalls wrote

I know, i know :-) Perhaps i should have chosen another brand. Seat was much more suitable in this case!


Or Simca in France, in its early years

rpcm PT

2007-11-20 17:29

blackwalls wrote Sorry but that's not true. Authi cars were entirely spanish, except for the first Morris 1100, like the one that Maria Jesus (daughter of Authi founder) has, that came in a semi CKD and were assembled in Landaben. Only until aprox. april 1967 Authi cars had british components, in only a 30% of the car.

But from 67 spring till the end in late 1975 the whole cars were spanish. The steel was founded in Vizcaya and pressed in Barcelona by Metalauto, the whole mechanicals came from the "Nueva Montaña Quijano" factory in Los Corrales de Buelna in Cantabria, the carbs were made by Tecniauto under license, opticals were made by Yorka... Everything was made and assemblied in Spain, so Authi factory was that, a factory, not an assembly line

Authi used the brands MG, Morris, Austin and Mini as models of the brand, but officially as i said, cars were Authi (i repeat, in the road tax, and other official papers of my ex Authi Morris, the brand officially was Authi)


I can accept your information as true and I believe you can have access to more complete sources than me. It's natural since it's something related to your country and you couldn't help being involved. I'm always glad when I learn new things about the cars that touch me on a way or another and this site has been a great source in various ways, also giving me the opportunity to contribute with my part in this - as have already been said - encyclopedia that's being made. Nevertheless, I suggest you to start your sentences in a different way; all I wrote is true and it's good that you can complete and detail the information - but it can be done without saying someone is not telling the truth.

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-20 20:33

Sorry mate if you felt offended. What i meant is that your explanation was not correct, as you thought tha Authi cars were only assembled in Spain when the fact is that were entirely made in Spain.

Again sorry, was not my intention. What's more i enjoyed a lot this discussion because i've learnt lotta things too!

i'll try to post some pics of 1st Authi ever made :-)

Blackwalls ES

2007-11-20 22:01

Pics of the first Morris ever made by Authi:

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/Pepe_G/DSCN1021-1.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/Pepe_G/DSCN1047.jpg

Got it's license plate on 01/14/1967, but was built in summer 1966, almost had made and had a provisional license plate during 6 months.

DynaMike NL

2007-11-20 22:03

Very nice and interesting pics. Thanks, Blackwalls!

lastinpurple ES

2007-12-04 22:29

Gracias blackwalls por enseñar a todo el mundo que Authi era una marca. Yo lo intenté, pero mis argumentos se agotaron :lol:

pedro_94 ES

2024-01-13 13:32

Ep 1.01 "Frenada en curva". HD replace

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Again in ep. "Culpable, la máquina" (without ep number).

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-- Last edit: 2024-01-13 14:22:45

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